Does Dan Henderson's two Pride Belts hold more value than UFC's Dual Champs?

[Mike]

Uh... no? Why would it?

 

[INTERL0PER]

No

Yes.

Welp... That settles it then.

TS, the answer to your question is "Yes."... or "No."

So it depends who you ask.

 

[markg171]

At least he had the balls to defend unlike Conor or GSP.

And those were World Title Unifications when Hendo fought Rampage and Anderson (who were also former PRIDE fighters)

Hendo never defended either of his Pride belts. Anderson and Rampage were defending THEIR belts, not Dan.

Congrats on the “World title unifications”. Conor and GSP also did those too in their careers. The difference being they won their bouts and you don’t credit it like you’re trying to with Dan as it doesn’t fit your agenda.

In 2004 Rampage was destroyed by Wanderlei and in 2005 he was destroyed by Shogun.

And in 2007 he was a better fighter than back then.

It wasn't until he had a couple of years under Nog that he could finally hold his own on the ground, which was around the time he showed up in UFC.

That’s literally my entire point. He was a better fighter when he became champ. It’s not that his competition got weaker which is what was being implied by saying Silva failed to be Pride champ but was a UFC champ.

 

[MrDaneBrass]

Does Dan Henderson's two Pride Belts hold more value than UFC's Dual Champs?

If you're this guy, then yes.

If you're a normal person, then no.

 

[Liquid Smoke]

Weren't those Pride belts won in a ring? Under a different rule-set than what he "defended" them in? Seems more like he didn't lose anything but failed to gain something (UFC belts). But my memory isn't what it used to be.

The bit about different rules is true. They did give Rampage a Pride belt though.

 

[bigconan]

You mean the same Rampage and Anderson who couldn't win titles in PRIDE?

Well, silver most certainly didn't hit his prime till much later...in the ufc, his submission defense was much better...he literally sucked on the ground in pride. but you make a good point with rampage...it's weird how things play out I guess. he just couldn't get by Wandy.

 

[Choco]

he couldn't beat one ufc champion...so that tells you right there, that his competition in pride was much less than in the ufc .

Yeah, let's keeping ignoring in 20-fucking-18 that one of those champions was a purebreed PRIDE guy that had jumped ship only months before due to his inability to make to the very top in PRIDE, after several opportunities, and the other one, was a multiple faliure there, against guys half his size (After sticking to fingers to Dana with a signed contract in 2002).

Water under the bigde, people.

 

[TheIrishPsycho]

Yes sure why not.

PRIDE never dies

 

[Benoitthegr8]

Hendo’s career and murderers row of opponents he’s faced holds more weight than nearly anyone in recent memory. TBH I don’t think the belts are indicative of how special of a fighter he was.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

Hendo never defended either of his Pride belts. Anderson and Rampage were defending THEIR belts, not Dan.

Congrats on the “World title unifications”. Conor and GSP also did those too in their careers. The difference being they won their bouts and you don’t credit it like you’re trying to with Dan as it doesn’t fit your agenda.



And in 2007 he was a better fighter than back then.



That’s literally my entire point. He was a better fighter when he became champ. It’s not that his competition got weaker which is what was being implied by saying Silva failed to be Pride champ but was a UFC champ.

Conor and GSP ran from the sport after picking up their "second title."

Hendo actually fought Rampage and Anderson. Randy actually fought Gonzaga and Brock. And nobody looked at Bisping as the true champ anymore when he chose to defend against 46 year old Hendo and the retired GSP. Meanwhile, Whittaker and Romero went to war (before GSP/Bisping even happened). Weidman, Jacare and Gastelum would all probably body bag GSP and Bisping in 2017 as well.

 

[PROlogic]

NO and it's not even close

Hendo's belts were as illegitimate as possible

He never beat the #1 lineal MW

And he never beat the #1 lineal LHW (Shogun was widely ranked as the #1 LHW)

@Dozer .

@Flboycanscrap2

@The Schmoop

Conor is the most legit 2 belt champ in history

Conor captured both actual LINEAL titles from both of the true #1 ranked lineal title holders.

Conor beat the FW goat before him while he was in his prime and then beat an all time great LW in his prime.

Conor is the only one in history who was truly ranked #1 in 2 divisions at the same time

Conor is the only one in UFC history to hold both titles at the same time



The most illegitimate ones are Hendo and Randy.

Randy was KOd by Liddell twice. He got a title shot at HW coming off a KO loss and retirement, and took out Sylvia

People want to discredit Conor but yet Conor was the only one who was an actual active champion while getting a title shot at a higher weight class

Everything about Conor's 2 belt accomplishment is the most legit and significant in history

- actual active champion. Didn't get the shot coming off any losses or retirement

- took out 2 of the very best champions in their primes in the 2 deepest divisions in absolute dominant fashion

@markg171

 

[Taric]

Hendo's belts were as illegitimate as possible

He never beat the #1 lineal MW

This is actually inaccurate. The first time Hendo beat Bustamante, Murilo was the UFC MW champion and #1 MW in the world.
That fight wasn't for a title in PRIDE though.

 

[PROlogic]

This is actually inaccurate. The first time Hendo beat Bustamante, Murilo was the UFC MW champion and #1 MW in the world.
That fight wasn't for a title in PRIDE though.

Nice job taking that statement out of content to prove a non-point

Yes Hendo has an impressive resume with many great wins on it

However, WHEN Hendo won the PRIDE MW title (183) Hendo was NOT ranked the #1 MW at that time. Hendo did not beat the actual #1 lineal MW for his belt, which is what the point was

 

[mkt]

No. Hendo was in his fighting prime (and not too far from his physical prime...and maybe on TRT?) when he came to the UFC. He failed to get the LHW belt from Rampage and got destroyed in his attempt to get the MW belt by Anderson. I give him credit for what he did in Pride and SF, but he always came up short in the UFC.

 

[Taric]

Nice job taking that statement out of content to prove a non-point

Yes Hendo has an impressive resume with many great wins on it

However, WHEN Hendo won the PRIDE MW title (183) Hendo was NOT ranked the #1 MW at that time. Hendo did not beat the actual #1 lineal MW for his belt, which is what the point was

But he has beaten the lineal #1 MW. It's an accomplishment you can't just take away from him just to fit a narrative.

I've already went on record in this thread that Hendo's championship belts are weak tea but his accomplishments outside of belts are very solid.

Hendo didn't defend his 183lb belt or his 205lb belt so he's actually no different than Conor.

 

[007]

Hendo was the man

 

[PROlogic]

But he has beaten the lineal #1 MW. .

But not for the belt.

When he won the belt, the #1 lineal MW was NOT Bustamante at that time either


This is in context of the legitimacy of his belts.

Since he did not beat the number one ranked lineal middleweight for the belt then his middleweight belt is illegitimate.

This isn't about his resume

You're the only one trying to push a narrative. It's unreal to me how people will still argue even when blatantly wrong

 

[PROlogic]

Hendo didn't defend his 183lb belt or his 205lb belt so he's actually no different than Conor.

I would replace "no different" with much much less impressive

Say what you want about Conor

Conor actually beat the lineal title holders of both divisions

Conor actually beat the real champs and dominated both in their primes with scary matrix like performances

Conor beat far far more legitimate champions for his 2 belts. It isn't even up for debate

 

[Idonotbelieveit]

Yes for me

 

[wandshocop]

Like I said, in the ufc, he's not champion material...end of story...he won in pride, where the competition was less...you can argue all you want, but the bottom line is, he never won a title in the ufc...

Both the guys he lost to in his unification bouts also came from Pride "where the competition was easier"