Dana White Picks Jon Jones Over Khabib Nurmagomedov as MMA GOAT

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@BFoe @HHJ

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Then why didn't you give him the 30 mil he asked for to fight Frank initially you bald douche?

Best fighter ever and you cheaper out?

 

[Billthebutcher]

Khabby sat out injured many times, and avoided some great fighters. He fought unknowns early to pad his record, and quit before reaching his goal of 30.

 

[markg171]

im talking about just visually watching them fight.
Jones had great moments of dominance but also had moments of shakiness within a number of his fights. Khabib, although one could argue that he left too early, did not have too many moments that stick out where he was truly in trouble. Poirier got him into his worst spot.
Khabib only has 1 disputed decision (Tibau) amongst the fans while Jones has multiple.
Khabib also never had his title stripped due to doping. (there are of course theories about him doping but since he never failed a test, its just conjecture)
Jones also almost lost the title by DQ if not for Smith being too much of a stand-up guy for his own good.

ive already said Jones is better than Khabib overall in terms of records and stats, but in my opinion Khabib looked more dominant in a lot of his fights. Jones is very good everywhere; he was able to outsmart a lot of his opponents and then use his tools to act. but Khabib is a specialist so when he kept someone on the ground while beating them up it just looked like they couldnt do anything. made it seem much less competitive than Jones' fights.

full disclosure - i used to be a huge JJ fan like 10+ years ago but his behavior since then has completely turned me off as a fan and i am not one any longer. that doesnt change the fact that he still needs to be given his due as an objectively supremely talented fighter. one of the best the UFC has ever seen. im not some blind hater.

What does any of those things have to do with what Jon did in his first 13 UFC fights? Everything you mentioned as "bad" for Jon are fights and things that happened later in Jon's career, points at which Khabib never got close to as Khabib only has 13 UFC fights.

The reasonable comparison is 13 UFC fights each as that's all Khabib got to. And Jon absolutely was beyond dominant at this point too.

Again it makes zero sense to give Khabib extra points or take points away from Jon for what happened across 10 additional fights Jon had that Khabib never did. That's ridiculous. For all we know Khabib gets KTFO in his next fight, has a bad decision, whatever. The fights never happened, but that doesn't mean he just gets to have imagined dominance onto infinity we have to compare against Jon who's fights we do have.

 

[eddi]

Jones lost due to steroid use, lost definitely to reyes and had very close fights against gus 1 and santos that could've gone to them if they had star power in the ufc.

Compared to khabib that literally annihilated everybody there in the ufc and left like terminator leaving his second chinese copy islam to terrorize 2 divisions i believe he's the goat as islam's fights get transferred to khabib automatically.

 

[Stagliano]

Jones failed PED testing all 3 times he was scheduled to fight DC, was pulsing for at least one known fight against a past prime Gus, and mainly fought MW sized opponents and past prime LHWs.

Lol at "past prime Gus". They have the same age and the same mileage. Gus just had the performance of his life in the first bout.

 

[El Fernas]

Well, no shit, the man is 15-0-1 in title fights, a couple of dubious decisions but still...untouchable, single loss is a DQ of an ass beating, lets say Smith takes the DQ, thats still another DQ loss in a fight he was comfortably winning.

 

[acannxr]

That fight doesn't disprove my argument, if anything it strengthens my point because Shogun's left ACL had blown out three times from 2007-2010 (with the third tear happening right before this fight).

And steroids will forever mark an asterisk on Jones' career.

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

I am a big fan of both fighters, but this isn't really close or should even be up for discussion
11 title defenses vs 3
Quality of opponents/ranked wins/number of champions or former champions beaten - Jones by a landslide
Jones beat a wider variety of elite fighters, Olympic wrestlers, BJJ black belts etc
Jones is more well-rounded and an exceptional striker as well as wrestler.

With that being said, Khabib is also an absolute, dominant legend, but I would put him in the Volk, Izzy, Aldo, Mighty Mouse tier rather than the top tier of fighters (GSP, Silva, Fedor)

It's not even a competition. If you believe Jones' PED-abuse disqualifies him, well, there you have it. Else, Jones' resume is in a different league compared to Khabib's.

Either way, deciding isn't difficult at all.

Ah not this again lol. Khabib is way behind even DJ "who Dana would never even dare mention". Jones probably actually is the GOAT but if somebody he didn't like had like 300 title defenses before leaving the UFC, Dana would pretend like they don't exist and slander them anytime their name is brought up.

If anybody at 125 gets a couple defenses that will be the 125lb GOAT to Dana.

Well, no shit, the man is 15-0-1 in title fights, a couple of dubious decisions but still...untouchable, single loss is a DQ of an ass beating, lets say Smith takes the DQ, thats still another DQ loss in a fight he was comfortably winning.

That fight doesn't disprove my argument, if anything it strengthens my point because Shogun's left ACL had blown out three times from 2007-2010 (with the third tear happening right before this fight).

And steroids will forever mark an asterisk on Jones' career.

 

[Harlekin]

Jones still brings money in.
That's why he has Usman over GSP

 

[NoSmilez]

I have to give it to Jones. Khabib missed out fighting a lot of great fighters during his initial run in the UFC. It's not his fault either because it was injury. Khabib has better spokesperson than Jones though. People sell him really hard as a legend in the training room. You can listen to other former AKA fighters and they have a different story to tell. It's not bad or bashing him. It's just that he was human in training. I am pretty sure many big fighters trained with Jones before but nobody really gave any testimonials regarding how god-like he is in the gym.

 

[markg171]

Jones lost due to steroid use, lost definitely to reyes and had very close fights against gus 1 and santos that could've gone to them if they had star power in the ufc.

Compared to khabib that literally annihilated everybody there in the ufc and left like terminator leaving his second chinese copy islam to terrorize 2 divisions i believe he's the goat as islam's fights get transferred to khabib automatically.

 

[Kowboy On Sherdog]

@helax @Jackonfire @StonedLemur @Kryptt @Neck&Neck @Blanqa Blanqua @Poirierfan

Agree?

 

[TerrorTimmy]

One of them is retired and not coming back

The other is mostly retired but Dana is begging him to return to fight the corpse of a former champion. Of course he's trying to suck up to Jones over Khabib.

When Jones retires, it'll be Islam or O'Malley or somebody. Until Conor comes back, then Conor is the "GOAT" because he'll have a fight coming up.

Dana has as many opinions on one issue as there are seconds in a day.

 

[eddi]

fresh newbie 20% loaded khabib vs a veteran on steroids that used to send colby covington crying home when they trained yet still lost convincingly against khabib.
keep in mind that before khabib opened the path by destroying mcgregor like moses split the sea the russians needed to (and still do to some extent) not only win convincingly but really win win win to get the nod from the ufc remember yan vs omalley thats why khabib is so happy.

 

[Taric]

Khabib is like 10th down the list.

 

[Blanqa Blanqua]

@helax @Jackonfire @StonedLemur @Kryptt @Neck&Neck @Blanqa Blanqua @Poirierfan

Agree?

 

[Blanqa Blanqua]

The goats know when the meet the GOAT

 

[StonedLemur]

@helax @Jackonfire @StonedLemur @Kryptt @Neck&Neck @Blanqa Blanqua @Poirierfan

Agree?

Of the UFC?..... Maybe, but I'm on a smaller boat with DJ tbh.

 

[TheTribalQueef]

Jones failed PED testing all 3 times he was scheduled to fight DC, was pulsing for at least one known fight against a past prime Gus, and mainly fought MW sized opponents and past prime LHWs.

Actually jon Jones only failed one test that he was scheduled scheduled fight DC.

The very first test he was completely clean, DC tested psotivie with a testosterone level of 5000 but it was covered up by the UFC.

The fight that was supposed to happen in 2016 Jon Jones tested positive for an estrogen blocker before the fight, hence scheduled.

And the third fight Jon jones had tested positive right after the fight with DC.

So basically Jon was clean for the first fight while DC was on testosterone.

Jon Jones had estrogen blockers in his system in 2016 which caused that fight to be canceled.

Jon tested positive in the second fight that actually happened.

Also the Only fighters Jon Jones fought who were "middle weight sized" were machida and Santos(who arguably should have never been at middle weight) the rest of them were career light hevayweighhtts or heavyweights.