Connor would not beat a world class boxer in above the waist KB

[spacetime]

I'm not exactly disagreeing with that, assuming you're referring to the ruleset below:

FCR KICK REQUIREMENT RULES

• NORTH AMERICA
  • As of July, 2009, there is no longer a "Mandatory Kick Count requirement" for Full Contact rules bouts.
  • NEW RULES
    • Fighters are STRONGLY URGED to do a Minimum number of kicks per round.
    • The bout referee may choose to give a "Warning" or even a "Point Deduction" for a fighter who does not appear to be kicking enough for this style of fighting.
    • What the referee will be looking for is a minimum number of kicks:
      • JUNIOR BOUTS 90 Second Rounds: 4 Kicks Per Round.
      • ADULT Amateurs: 6 Kicks Per Round.
      • ADULT Professionals: 8 Kicks Per Round.

• OUTSIDE NORTH AMERICA
  • All kicks must be above the belt.
  • Minimum kicks per round (Kick cards or kick lights will be visible at ringside)
    • JUNIOR BOUTS 90 Second Rounds: 4 Kicks Per Round.
    • ADULT Amateurs: 6 Kicks Per Round.
    • ADULT Professionals: 8 Kicks Per Round.
  • A spin kick or a hard thrown kick that does not hit the body but shows Intent of Power will be counted as a kick.
  • Front kicks (snap, thrust or flick) must make hard contact to be counted as a kick.
  • Each time a fighter does not make his/her minimum kick count in a round, they will be deducted 1 point for each kick below the minimum kick requirement each round.
  • Kicks may NOT be made up in other subsequent rounds.

http://www.ikfkickboxing.com/KickJudging.htm

If I was Canelo, Floyd or whoever fighting Conor in that ruleset, I'd just make sure to land 8 teeps a round and then box the shit out of Conor.

Your problem in this thread was phrasing Conor as a beginning level kicker in the OP, so any serious discussion in this thread was doomed from the start. That and your blatant TKD bias...

I don't know about the extent of the kicks, but there are stipulations that could be made in which the boxer elects not to kick but gets to wear boxing shoes, like in K1.

 

[spacetime]

Is anyone shocked that Dargan was in a "low mood" that night? The poor man had just endured hours of Adele songs!!!!!

"According to a report by Independent.ie, Jonathan Dargan, who used to be UFC featherweight champion Conor McGregor's taekwondo coach, was arrested for fatally punching a 57-year-old man during an apparent drunken altercation between Dargan and his girlfriend, which soon involved other civilians.

Dargan, who works as a nightclub doorman in Dublin, Ireland, was reportedly in a "low mood" because it was the eve of Mother's Day (March 6th); his mother was shot to death two years ago. As the article notes, sources alleged that the altercation began as he and his girlfriend left a concert, with Dargan apparently driving while drunk.

Sources close to Dargan have said he left Lillie's after being out with his partner and got into his car, which he had intended leaving in town for the night. They had earlier been to the Adele concert."

Even though he's traditional TKD, it's still ironic that he kills a guy with a punch given what people say about TKD guys hands.

 

[Paradigm]

Even though he's traditional TKD, it's still ironic that he kills a guy with a punch given what people say about TKD guys hands.

He's Irish...punching while drunk is in their blood, just like Gokhan Saki said wrestling is in his Turkish blood.

 

[spacetime]

Yeah we already covered that part, Conor ditched him because TKD is bullshit.
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I guess that's why he announced his training on Twitter, because he thought it was bullshit

 

[steamboat100]

ok. i'll take your word for it. was dying to know... your weakly extrapolated insight

 

[RichardN7]

What are guys like Rogan on? Conors is a novice at kicking as anyone with any experience in TaeKwonDo (his trained style for kicking) knows. So how he would beat the shit out of Floyd or any world class boxer in american kickboxing rules?!

Conor is a beginner-level at kicking and no low kicks?? Conor is going down in flames with his bent legs.

Ok...

1) Conor McGregor is an unstoppable force when it comes to striking. Punches against him are inevitably countered with a deadly left hand, whereas body/head kicks are easily avoided by skipping back. If he fights a tall/distanced boxer who makes it a point not to engage with him and chooses to pot shot conservatively, he would use his low kicks to cut then down. A fight with any American style kickboxer/karate/TKD fighter of his weight would inevitably result in brutal KO. Conor does not need to be anything more than a 'novice' ay kicking to beat them. His game is simply extremely easy to force on an opponent. It's easier to make someone punch with you than make them engage in a kicking contest with you, and punching with Conor = KO.

2) Conor's ONLY weakness in striking might be his low kick defense. He can't be outpunched or kicked to the body/head, he's far too swift.
Only chance is low kicks like Alvarez did. Barboza could give him trouble but his chin wouldn't hold up, so could someone like Valtellini if the fight was with big gloves.
Your suggestion of him fighting 'waist-up kickboxing' would make the fight a cakewalk for him.

3)Conor is not a 'novice' kicker. The spinning shit he throws is smoke and mirrors to make the opponent counter, so he can counter their counter. The rest of his kicking arsenal has been used to great effect:
Great Mae Geri which he used repeatedly against top flight opponents like Mendes and Alvarez to wind them. Did not have it caught once.
Swift and powerful Ushiro Geri which he uses to cover opponents moving to his right side and away from his left. It earned him a TKO against Brandao when he walked onto it, rocking him. Has used it in every fight pre-Nate to great effect.
Left Mawashi Geri which all southpaws should have. Not necessarily the most powerful roundhouse, but extremely fast and perfect to catch opponents circling to his left but who are too far away for a left hook. Used effectively against Siver, Mendes and Alvarez.
Good leg kicks which he used to slow down and damage the movements of Diaz in the rematch. Mixed them in very well at the start and gave Diaz more to worry about than just a cross counter.

Conor's kicking game is exactly what it needs to be: secondary tool to make landing his killer left easier.


If you don't know the techniques I named, check google.
Noob.

 

[120wrestling]

I'm red stripe in Connors kicking style - ITF TKD (3 and a half years of training). Spotting a beginner is fairly easy. Tell me how a beginner at kicking beats a boxer in american rules kickboxing?? Even a good kicker can be beaten and he's not even good.

You're cute, Tae Kwon Do is a joke buddy.

 

[Dana_is_your_GOD]

Connor would get his ass kicked in round 1 of any World class ITF kickboxing tournament. The fact that he beats up a ten years older Denis Siver does not prove anything. He outpunched him. Siver landed the heavy kicks, despite being washed up

You would get your ass kicked at a kids karate tournament "bro"

 

[RichardN7]

What does it matter? You think a C-level kicker beats an undefeated boxer in American Kickboxing?

Yup.
Body kick from southpaw or an ushiro geri as the boxer is coming in will stop him right away. Even a side kick will keep them at bay and wind them easily.
Boxers suck dick at limited rules fighting if they don't put in years of time to transition their skills.

When will you idiots learn.
You're helpless.

 

[Paradigm]

Ok...

1) Conor McGregor is an unstoppable force when it comes to striking. Punches against him are inevitably countered with a deadly left hand, whereas body/head kicks are easily avoided by skipping back. If he fights a tall/distanced boxer who makes it a point not to engage with him and chooses to pot shot conservatively, he would use his low kicks to cut then down. A fight with any American style kickboxer/karate/TKD fighter of his weight would inevitably result in brutal KO. Conor does not need to be anything more than a 'novice' ay kicking to beat them. His game is simply extremely easy to force on an opponent. It's easier to make someone punch with you than make them engage in a kicking contest with you, and punching with Conor = KO.

2) Conor's ONLY weakness in striking might be his low kick defense. He can't be outpunched or kicked to the body/head, he's far too swift.
Only chance is low kicks like Alvarez did. Barboza could give him trouble but his chin wouldn't hold up, so could someone like Valtellini if the fight was with big gloves.
Your suggestion of him fighting 'waist-up kickboxing' would make the fight a cakewalk for him.

3)Conor is not a 'novice' kicker. The spinning shit he throws is smoke and mirrors to make the opponent counter, so he can counter their counter. The rest of his kicking arsenal has been used to great effect:
Great Mae Geri which he used repeatedly against top flight opponents like Mendes and Alvarez to wind them. Did not have it caught once.
Swift and powerful Ushiro Geri which he uses to cover opponents moving to his right side and away from his left. It earned him a TKO against Brandao when he walked onto it, rocking him. Has used it in every fight pre-Nate to great effect.
Left Mawashi Geri which all southpaws should have. Not necessarily the most powerful roundhouse, but extremely fast and perfect to catch opponents circling to his left but who are too far away for a left hook. Used effectively against Siver, Mendes and Alvarez.
Good leg kicks which he used to slow down and damage the movements of Diaz in the rematch. Mixed them in very well at the start and gave Diaz more to worry about than just a cross counter.

Conor's kicking game is exactly what it needs to be: secondary tool to make landing his killer left easier.


If you don't know the techniques I named, check google.
Noob.

As much as I hate to agree with Spacetime, you're missing the context of his OP.

You can't low kick in American Kickboxing rules. His point was that a boxer could go in there (a ring, not a cage) and could beat Conor using straight boxing, since Conor's kicking game is rudimentary compared to high level kickers.

It's easier to learn to defend something than to use it offensively...I doubt this boxer wouldn't train some kick defense going into a hypothetical (albeit ridiculous) American Kickboxing rules match with Conor.

Conor's kicking game isn't threatening on its own in comparison to someone like Yodsanklai or Lyoto. We also don't know how Conor's striking game translates to a ring (see Cro Cop for the reverse situation).

Also, I have no idea how or why you're saying that Conor "couldn't be outpunched" by someone like Floyd, Canelo or Manny in this context.

 

[spacetime]

.I doubt this boxer wouldn't train some kick defense going into a hypothetical (albeit ridiculous) American Kickboxing rules match with Conor.
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Yeah well boxing rules are pretty silly too given Connor non existent boxing record. Don't really see how American Kickboxing would be sillier. At least he could in theory compensate the punching favorability with some homemade kicking. And Floyd would be compensated with no low kicks and thai clinch.

 

[VitorReem]

A boxer would tool mctap up wether it be boxing or kickboxing. It doesn't make a difference because he has absolute dogshit kicks that do nothing.

 

[spacetime]

And because boxing gloves offers excellent protection even to boxers who don't really know beyond instinct how to defend against high kicks..

 

[spacetime]

Yup.
Body kick from southpaw or an ushiro geri as the boxer is coming in will stop him right away. Even a side kick will keep them at bay and wind them easily.
Boxers suck dick at limited rules fighting if they don't put in years of time to transition their skills.

When will you idiots learn.
You're helpless.

Boxers know how to take massive strikes. A midsection kick from a novice is no problem for them. It takes time and dedication to generate force in kicks that will knockdown a boxer. Time Conor doesn't have as an MMA dude.

 

[Paradigm]

Yeah well boxing rules are pretty silly too given Connor non existent boxing record. Don't really see how American Kickboxing would be sillier. At least he could in theory compensate the punching favorability with some homemade kicking. And Floyd would be compensated with no low kicks and thai clinch.

If we're talking pure standup fighting rulesets, they all look somewhat silly compared to MT with all their restrictions. Some might even make the argument that the MT ruleset looks silly compared to Lethwei but MT is generally regarded as the least restrictive standup ruleset.

Even something like MMA's Unified ruleset is "silly" because you can't even 12-6 elbow or kick someone's head on the ground but it's the best we've got besides One FC's old ruleset that includes soccer kicks (now banned).

The shittiest part about the whole soccer kick ban was that it wasn't even about additional safety...it was about public and sponsor perception:

“If you look at studies that were done on soccer kicks, it’s the same as a normal head kick because you cannot generate more pivotal force,” Sityodtong said in the media scrum. “It’s more of a perception thing. No one has been injured and no one has been in any serious situation from a soccer kick.”

http://www.mmalatestnews.com/one-championship-ban-use-soccer-kicks-fights/

In other words, the pussification of fighting due to money concerns has reached the Far East as well...

 

[Jedi Judah]

Ive always defended Conors kicks for some reason lol Hes not the novice kicker everyone makes him out to be. People said that he wouldnt be able to kick out of his stance, I corrected them saying that yes you can, just wouldnt be as effecient. Conor/Diaz 2 proved that. People who say he cant kick, dont understand kicking

 

[spacetime]

If we're talking pure standup fighting rulesets, they all look somewhat silly compared to MT with all their restrictions. Some might even make the argument that the MT ruleset looks silly compared to Lethwei but MT is generally regarded as the least restrictive standup ruleset.

Even something like MMA's Unified ruleset is "silly" because you can't even 12-6 elbow or kick someone's head on the ground but it's the best we've got besides One FC's old ruleset that includes soccer kicks (now banned).

The shittiest part about the whole soccer kick ban was that it wasn't even about additional safety...it was about public and sponsor perception:

“If you look at studies that were done on soccer kicks, it’s the same as a normal head kick because you cannot generate more pivotal force,” Sityodtong said in the media scrum. “It’s more of a perception thing. No one has been injured and no one has been in any serious situation from a soccer kick.”

http://www.mmalatestnews.com/one-championship-ban-use-soccer-kicks-fights/

In other words, the pussification of fighting due to money concerns has reached the Far East as well...

I mean silly in the context of an MMA-fighter trying a different arena. In that respect american kickboxing against the same dude is less silly.

 

[spacetime]

Ive always defended Conors kicks for some reason lol Hes not the novice kicker everyone makes him out to be. People said that he wouldnt be able to kick out of his stance, I corrected them saying that yes you can, just wouldnt be as effecient. Conor/Diaz 2 proved that. People who say he cant kick, dont understand kicking

Those were low kicks (and he apparently fractured his foot in the process of doing it). I don't recall a single mid section kick thrown against Diaz, let alone high kick.

 

[Jedi Judah]

Those were low kicks (and he apparently fractured his foot in the process of doing it). I don't recall a single mid section kick thrown against Diaz, let alone high kick.

So you dont consider low kicks as kicks? He threw some nice round kicks vs Siver, and his form was competent

 

[spacetime]

So you dont consider low kicks as kicks? He threw some nice round kicks vs Siver, and his form was competent

I don't concider low kicks in the context of above the waist rules, no. Siver threw REAL kicks, which didn't matter since he was bamboozeled by conors striking. Guess what, a World Champ boxer will not be bamboozeled.