Communism will win.

[Jarl the Sagan]

If communism is man's natural state, why has it never been achieved as you posted earlier? Even with decades for authoritarian regimes to force people to be utopian communists, it never happened (by your definition of communism). It's never spontaneously sprung up without force either.


https://www.theguardian.com/society...l-below-10-of-world-population-for-first-time
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/world/united-nations-reports-global-hunger-down-since-1990.html

Because there is a lot of opposition from those that wield the power. You cannot get to communism with authoritarianism. That is like trying to put out a fire with gas. Communism is the abolishment of authoritarianism.

Some argue that communism was man's natural state before emperors and kings put the rest of the world under their boot.

 

[Jorge Luis Borges]

I'm not defining it. Communism is a political moment that is grounded in history with a firmly established record. It doesn't require anyone's subjective definition.

This. No one plays the No True Scotsman game better than commies.

I'd argue that even if the PRC, the Khmer Rouge, the USSR all failed to achieve authentic communist rule, that the hundred million dead in a century prove that it is too destructive of human life and happiness to even try to achieve authentic communism. Utopianism is almost always destructive in politics.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Communism is by definition stateless and worker co ops are the foundation of socialism/communism.

Communism as ever practiced anywhere in the world, has been government centralized state authoritarianism.

Worker co-ops are not the basis of communism, Worker co-ops can function just fine in a market based system.

 

[Jarl the Sagan]

This. No one plays the No True Scotsman game better than commies.

I'd argue that even if the PRC, the Khmer Rouge, the USSR all failed to achieve authentic communist rule, that the hundred million dead in a century prove that it is too destructive of human life and happiness to even try to achieve authentic communism. Utopianism is almost always destructive in politics.

If you point at a dog and say it is a cat, then I say no man that is a dog... would you say NO TRUE CATS!!!! Communism has a specific definition that is diametrically opposed to authoritarianism and centralization.

 

[Jarl the Sagan]

Communism as ever practiced anywhere in the world, has been government centralized state authoritarianism.

Worker co-ops are not the basis of communism, Worker co-ops can function just fine in a market based system.

The defining feature of communism and socialism is the workers having ownership over their means of production. A co op is a business owned by the workers themselves...... Now connect the dots.

 

[bigpunch]

If you point at a dog and say it is a cat, then I say no man that is a dog... would you say NO TRUE CATS!!!! Communism has a specific definition that is diametrically opposed to authoritarianism and centralization.

I think the problem is that it's so utopian that in trying to achieve it it turns it into the examples you guys say isn't real communism.

 

[AlexDB9]

One question for you TS: Where do you live?

 

[Jarl the Sagan]

Well if it has nothing to do with communism.... it isnt communism. It does not matter what the intent was or what the PR team says.

You seem to be ignoring the mounds of people murdered by Western foreign policy up to this day just like the other guys was ignoring the fact that breadlines still exist in every state in America. The problem is that when capitalists do horrifying things it comes with a laundry list of excuses and justifications but when others do the same things it is reflective of who they are.

 

[Jarl the Sagan]

One question for you TS: Where do you live?

You first Nancy Drew

 

[AlexDB9]

You first Nancy Drew

Ahh alright I live in the US formerly Cuba

 

[ocfightfan]

History has refuted it.

Instead we can be cucked by the politburo and local communist officials who can ship us off to work camps if we aren't sufficiently subservient.

I can't think of a single communist state that has been a paradise for anyone except those at the top. The common man always suffers.

 

[Jarl the Sagan]

I have lived in the US all of my life.

 

[Jarl the Sagan]

History has refuted it.

Instead we can be cucked by the politburo and local communist officials who can ship us off to work camps if we aren't sufficiently subservient.

I can't think of a single communist state that has been a paradise for anyone except those at the top. The common man always suffers.

You say history has refuted it but then you say "communist state" which are oxymoronic terms....

You should have just said "I can't think" and been done with the post.

 

[AlexDB9]

I have lived in the US all of my life.

Ok so you are a US citizen, the simple question I have for you is - if you believe in communism so much why not renounce your citinzenship and live in a place like Cuba or N. Korea?

 

[VivaRevolution]

The defining feature of communism and socialism is the workers having ownership over their means of production. A co op is a business owned by the workers themselves...... Now connect the dots.

Whatever man. I am a economic progressive, and believw we need another labor movement.

Communism is failed ideology. Try something new.

 

[Jarl the Sagan]

Ok so you are a US citizen, the simple question I have for you is - if you believe in communism so much why not renounce your citinzenship and live in a place like Cuba or N. Korea?

Why would I leave the US to go to Cuba or Korea?

 

[AlexDB9]

Why would I leave the US to go to Cuba or Korea?

My point exactly

You want the freedom and advantages that capitalism provides but none of the....well communism

 

[Jarl the Sagan]

Whatever man. I am a economic progressive, and believw we need another labor movement.

Communism is failed ideology. Try something new.

I don't understand why you can think it's a failed ideology but to each his own.

 

[ocfightfan]

You say history has refuted it but then you say "communist state" which are oxymoronic terms....

You should have just said "I can't think" and been done with the post.

Ah yes, define a word in your own special way and then call someone else stupid for not subscribing to it. An intellectually dishonest tactic.

Please show me a place where communism is being practiced like you think it should and is working well for most of the people that live there.

 

[Jarl the Sagan]

My point exactly

You want the freedom and advantages that capitalism provides but none of the....well communism

False.... I want no Capitalism and all Communism. Capitalism doesn't really give any freedoms. It restricts them behind pay walls and private property signs.