BREXIT Discussion, v4.0: The Back-Pedaling

[Arkain2K]

Thats not true -- you have a Free trade deal without movement with Canada. Canada imports 62 billion from the entire EU. The UK imports 105 billion from Germany alone. So, your small market comparison falls short.

You literally have free free trade with Canada - so i have no idea what this more expensive for outside states rhetoric stems from.

Canada - a country that does a a fraction of the trade the UK does, not a member state and it gets free trade. Why cant the same rules apply to the UK without certain regulation? Japan cant get free trade if they open shop in the UK.

You are going to have businesses in your most important states clamouring for no tariffs with the UK

Im not talking about a political union, im talking about an economic free trade deal -- one you already have in place with a non member -- one that really benefits everyone. Germany is going to be ok with losing out on a portion of 106 billion a year? France?

Then why do you have free trade with Canada? Why not extend the same framework to the UK? Its not like its a new concept.

Sure, the U.K can use the Canadian free trade model, if they're willing to kill off their lucrative financial services sector.

Free Trade is not a problem, and there are quite a few existing frameworks to choose from. The problem is NONE of them include the total access to the EU Single Market offered to their rules-abiding members.

We actually have throughly discussed the pros and cons of the four viable Free Trade models back in v1, well before the Brexit vote. I highly recommend you (and everyone else who are new to this topic) to take a look:

What will happen to Britain if there's Brexit? Here are four possible outcomes
June 17, 2016

http://forums.sherdog.com/threads/b...er-the-outcome.3176729/page-18#post-117848715

 

[JDragon]

Sure, the U.K can use the Canadian free trade model, if they're willing to kill off their lucrative financial services sector.

It may be too late for that. Frankfurt, Vienna, Dublin and Paris are already lobbying hard and the banks will have to take strategic decisions soon.

 

[JDragon]

Thousands of Jews, including many Holocaust survivors, applying for German citizenship in the wake of Brexit.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausla...den-beantragen-deutsche-paesse-a-1116602.html (German source)

 

[Abezal]

Thousands of Jews, including many Holocaust survivors, applying for German citizenship in the wake of Brexit.

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausla...den-beantragen-deutsche-paesse-a-1116602.html (German source)

What they didn't learn from the last time, now add millions of islamists to the mix. Ohh yahh so safe for jews, they will be running for their lives soon enough.

Unless its just for travel purposes and keeping a Eu passport.

 

[Sauron]

Brexit is such a joke.

 

[Abezal]

Brexit is such a joke.

So is the EU and much of Europe, so quite fitting the joke ain't it.

 

[Sauron]

So is the EU and much of Europe, so quite fitting the joke ain't it.

No

For a country that relies on internal investment (because we don't manufacture) we are starting to feel the results of what uncertainty looks like. And it's only going to get worse.

 

[Abezal]

No

For a country that relies on internal investment (because we don't manufacture) we are starting to feel the results of what uncertainty looks like. And it's only going to get worse.

Nahh its really a joke, add the hilarity of the scots lol.

Its a hilarious joke, all of it.

Might get worse sure, but boo hoo still better life then 95% of the freaking world.

 

[Gervinho]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-EU-just-TWO-DAYS-announcing-pro-Brexit.html


2 days before Boris Johnson joined the out campaign he wrote an article encouraging people to stay in. Confirm once again all he saw was a chance to outs Cameron and take his place and it backfired on him

 

[Phlog]

"against a basket of other currencies sterling is at its weakest level since Henry VIII debased the coinage in the 16th century."

Ed Conways comment in the 14th Oct Times.

 

[Arkain2K]

Seriously, what the hell these MPs think they're doing? It's been MONTHS and they're still in denial of the referendum result or what?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...y-brexit-with-commons-votes-are-subverting-w/

The people have spoken, now these politicians need to work with each other more than ever to get the best Brexit deal, not undermining their own government's poker hand during the negotiation!

 

[JDragon]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-EU-just-TWO-DAYS-announcing-pro-Brexit.html


2 days before Boris Johnson joined the out campaign he wrote an article encouraging people to stay in. Confirm once again all he saw was a chance to outs Cameron and take his place and it backfired on him

Not only that, he outlined the arguments for staying. Now why does this not get more coverage?

 

[Congo66]

The people have spoken, now these politicians need to work with each other more than ever to get the best Brexit deal, not undermining their own government's poker hand during the negotiation!

Of course 62.5% of the electorate didn't actually vote to leave.

 

[JDragon]

Seriously, what the hell these MPs think they're doing? It's been MONTHS and they're still in denial of the referendum result or what?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...y-brexit-with-commons-votes-are-subverting-w/

The people have spoken, now these politicians need to work with each other more than ever to get the best Brexit deal, not undermining their own government's poker hand during the negotiation!

The 'best deal' is the one they currently have: EU membership with UK rebate. It only goes downhill from here. Of course independence from the evil EU empire will offset all that.

I don't think 'hard Brexit' is a bad option. It is the best on the table. The other is waiting and seeing how corporations flee due to uncertainty.

 

[JDragon]

Of course 62.5% of the electorate didn't actually vote to leave.

It also turned out that 64% of the 18-24 age bracket did vote and not just 36% as originally reported. Among those folks - the one who actually have a future - 70% voted 'stay'.

However, 90% of the 65+ age bracket went to the polls.

 

[WhitebeltXL]

Of course 62.5% of the electorate didn't actually vote to leave.

The fact 12.9 million people couldn't take 2 seconds out of their day to tick a box on a piece of paper shows the apathy a large percentage of British people feel for politics in general.

 

[WhitebeltXL]

It also turned out that 64% of the 18-24 age bracket did vote and not just 36% as originally reported. Among those folks - the one who actually have a future - 70% voted 'stay'.

However, 90% of the 65+ age bracket went to the polls.

Honestly, how can you even get accurate data on who voted what. There was one question on an anonymous ballot. One day after the referendum, every news paper in the country had data on who voted what, but most of these polls had sample sizes barely in the hundreds. Basically, I don't believe a word they say, I can't blindly trust data gathered on 0.002% of the country.

 

[Congo66]

The fact 12.9 million people couldn't take 2 seconds out of their day to tick a box on a piece of paper shows the apathy a large percentage of British people feel for politics in general.

Well you have to go to the polling station, queue up, get a bit of paper, go to a booth, put a cross on the bit of paper, put it in a box.....

The referendum should have had a 50% of the electorate threshold and voting should have been mandatory.
The Brexit lot could then claim to have the support of the majority of the population and not just the majority who voted.
The Electoral Commission should also have had the ability to veto the £350m to the NHS bus and the newspapers should have had to comply with the same reporting standards as the tv stations.
The UK is usually governed by a party who gets 35-40% of the vote anyway so a lack of real democracy is noting new.

 

[WhitebeltXL]

Well you have to go to the polling station, queue up, get a bit of paper, go to a booth, put a cross on the bit of paper, put it in a box.....

The referendum should have had a 50% of the electorate threshold and voting should have been mandatory.
The Brexit lot could then claim to have the support of the majority of the population and not just the majority who voted.
The Electoral Commission should also have had the ability to veto the £350m to the NHS bus and the newspapers should have had to comply with the same reporting standards as the tv stations.
The UK is usually governed by a party who gets 35-40% of the vote anyway so a lack of real democracy is noting new.

Even with mandatory voting, I'd imagine a chunk of those 12.9 million would have just spoilt their ballots.

The entire thing was a shambles. Leave side with ridiculous (downright lying) hyperbole about immigrants, the remain side doubling down on calling anyone who disagreed with them racist/xenophobic. There was no informed debate and no actual facts, just political football between toffs completely ignoring the fact that peoples livelihoods depended on the decision to leave.

Add on top of that, NO contingency plan in the event of a Leave victory. You couldn't make it up, If this was an episode of 'The Thick of It', I'd have dismissed it as too ridiculous.

 

[Hard To Tell]

Rampant unemployment, especially amongst the young, yet the insistence on continued free movement between economically equal nations. A plummeting GDP that is never getting back to even parity with the major players on the World stage. Borrowing and debt out of control with France, Spain and Italy 1200 billion Euros in the red and the EU as a whole running a 1.7 TRILLION euro banking deficit. Which is, of course, is footed by the taxpayer.

Bail out after bail out, forced austerity, a failing currency, unfair punitive trade deals that screw over poor nations, ignoring votes, bribery, corruption. Then there's EU's TTIP agreement which would have put the NHS on the market to the highest bidder and anyone who thinks it would be sold off is plain stupid. This was 100% going to happen through the EU.

People crying about Brexit are brainwashed beyond help.