Breaking: GOP Removing Protection for Pre-Existing Conditions from AHA...

*Z* said:
Based on the CBO report.
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CBO had a whole pageful of uncertainties.

is there anything that prevents an individual states to cover preexsiting conditions? I dont see why they couldnt do that.

I'm tired of paying high premiums AND high deductibles, most people will probably have coverage for that sort of stuff, and we lived for decades with that clause, it wasnt a big deal.

so we have a default plan prior to obama, that had no protection for pre-existing conditions.... it failed

obamacare, protection for pre-existing conditions..... it failed

what do they have in common? Private health insurance.

we're nowhere close to UHC, so I'm ok if they remove that clause and kick it down the road. I'm ok with the rest of the health care bill, some parts look like they will indeed do a lot to lower overall costs of health care in this country. Either way, I'm glad this discussion is happening rather than sit idle and let obamacare crush us.
 
TheStruggle said:
Do you people remember we had healthcare without government before 2009, guess what, we survived as a country... We actually managed pretty damn well. But according to Big Government Control Democrats, if we take back healthcare away from government...it's going to be a fucking genocide. This is why no one takes you seriously and why you lost the election, not Russians.
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Serious question: How old are you? I'm 35, so I do remember healthcare pre-Obama. I ended up in the hospital with mono when I was 24 and no insurance. That was a fun little $10k bill to pay while I was trying to struggle through grad school part time.
But that's not the tragedy. The tragedy was all of the people who could not get insurance due to pre-existing conditions. And, yes, and there were a lot of them. That's why people wanted the fucking law...
Even now, the system still sucks. There are still 500k medical bankruptcies per year. But it is better than it was.
 
Was Exiled said:
Well I've lived in America and Ireland. Speaking of socialised healthcare in Ireland, it's wank - but I'm sure you'll try tell me different having never experienced it first hand.
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Yeah, socialized medicine is such a disaster. That's why for the last 30 years the most persistent topic of debate across the rest of the civilized world besides America has been how to get rid of that damned socialized medicine!

Just like Americans have spent the last 30 years not worried about healthcare at all. Really, just reveling in our freedom.

But please, tell me more about how businesses always operate with the public's best interests at heart. You are just banking credibility with that one...
 
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TheStruggle said:
So Healthcare doesn't exist without government?
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Not in the developed world no. Europe/Canada/Australia/Singapore and every other first-world nation.

It wont exist in third-world Murka without government either.
 
chardog said:
CBO had a whole pageful of uncertainties.

is there anything that prevents an individual states to cover preexsiting conditions? I dont see why they couldnt do that.

I'm tired of paying high premiums AND high deductibles, most people will probably have coverage for that sort of stuff, and we lived for decades with that clause, it wasnt a big deal.

so we have a default plan prior to obama, that had no protection for pre-existing conditions.... it failed

obamacare, protection for pre-existing conditions..... it failed

what do they have in common? Private health insurance.

we're nowhere close to UHC, so I'm ok if they remove that clause and kick it down the road. I'm ok with the rest of the health care bill, some parts look like they will indeed do a lot to lower overall costs of health care in this country. Either way, I'm glad this discussion is happening rather than sit idle and let obamacare crush us.
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I'm fine with it too, but in it's current form it has a long ways to go.
 
luckyshot said:
Didn't before Obamacare. Won't after Obamacare.

Repeat after me:

"The free market, doesn't give a shit about people."
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This is the part I honestly think people don't grasp. The free market does not want to cure people. They want to treat them. Why would they give you a pill for $500 to cure you when they could charge you $100 a month for the next 36 years to just treat your symptoms.
 
Wow, the plan Trump is forcing a vote on tomorrow sounds just like this one he promised -



24M more uninsured, higher premiums and less coverage. And his managers amendment saved less money 150B less over the 10 years, but didn't decrease the amount uninsured. So less savings, same shitty bill.
 
I'm a huge a-Ha fan..

Joking aside, sounds shitty
 
helltoupee said:
You understood what I meant by the house comment.

My specific issue is that the private sector and the public sector are two vastly different things, and when you mentioned in another thread that you voted for Trump "on principle" because he's a "businessman", I was severely disappointed, as you seem like a decently bright contributor here. I'm not going to even go into the fact that Trump being a business genius is highly debatable. A million dollars invested in real estate in the 70's is not rocket science, it's more of a silver spoon.

Is 'driving for the best bargain possible' what you want your health insurance to do when your mother needs open heart surgery?

I'll say it again because it's an important point. Not everything of social value is profitable, and business is measured by one metric, profitability.
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I've always said that a business president would be the best choice. Whether or not Trump is capable of doing so seems unlikely. But if I think that those principles are important for government and then pass on a candidate that, at least superficially, matches my rhetoric then I'm a hypocrite, imo. If he turns out to be awful (and that seems likely) then I have to revise some of my positions in the future because I'll have evidence that shows me I was wrong.

I can't preach an ideology and not put it to the test.

And yes driving the best bargain is exactly what I want my government to do with healthcare. But the best bargain for the government - which would mean maximum coverage for minimum expense. Of course, that's predicated on what someone thinks the role of government is because that determines whether or not the government have negotiated the best deal for itself.
 
How and why is Trump pushing the timeline on this so hard?

And why the hell is Congress allowing it? Why would they not take as much time as they need? The President sets Congressional agenda, schedule, and timelines now?
 
"The tea party in the United States' biggest fight is with the the Republican establishment, which is really a collection of crony capitalists that feel that they have a different set of rules of how they're going to comport themselves and how they're going to run things. " Bannon 2014
 
"We think of ourselves as virulently anti-establishment, particularly 'anti-' the permanent political class. We say Paul Ryan was grown in a petri dish at the Heritage Foundation." Bannon 2016
 
"Paul Ryan’s first major legislative achievement is a total and complete sell-out of the American people masquerading as an appropriations bill." Bannon 2016
 
Trump and Bannon are just gonna sit back and let the GOP hang themselves like the cunts they are.

Sometimes you got to let the field burn to give way to a new yield.
 
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