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Swear to God, CBC just brought up the IRA. I'm living in the matrix, confirmed.
Correct. Many of you should be very thankful to have been born in a free country.
Fawlty said if some people here were born in Syria they would rape underage children and stone women
Its a reasonable comparison because we're comparing modern terrorist movements and in this case terrorists which operate in the UK by recruiting natives of the UK.In what way is The Troubles comparable to the current problem with radical Islam?
One was an internal conflict, the other largely influenced by outside forces.
One had a clear end goal with an avenue for conflict resolution, the other has a variety of reasons some being impossible to reconcile.
One had a body count of 3600 over a 30 year period, while that was tje opening salvo for the other.
One generally targeted direct players in a conflict, the other deliberately targets innocents.
One was localized to a great extent, the other is global.
That's just talking about current terrorism in the west. Once looked at in a global context there is absolutely no comparison between the IRA and ISIS. And that's only one, if the most prominent problem. The scope of islamic fuckery eclipses IRA by leaps and bounds. Local gro op vs the cartels kinda thing.
And medieval conflicts are relevant how exactly?A little fairness, if you will. I'm not deflecting anything. This thread is about the act of terrorism that took place yesterday where 20 people were killed, including children, so forgive me if I think a conversation about the IRA, a terrorist group that hasn't killed anyone in decades is not fitting here.
Is that so? I suppose then bringing up the legacy of things like colonialism is fair as well? Since, you know, the history of Islamic immigration to Europe and the instability in the Middle East is deeply rooted in colonialism. Ah but I'm sure if I did that I'd be dog piled by the mouthbreathers. So what we're seeing here is pretty plainly a double standard in argumentation that you're perfectly willing to accept and perpetuate.When we speak about Islam, it's not a deflection to trace the religion back to it's roots. You're not being fair here. In a thread about the violence done by the IRA, I would never, ever jump in and talk about Muslims, that's retarded, to put it plainly.
But sure, I can easily condemn the IRA, their ideology is tainted by their violence. But seriously, so what?
Yeah crazy, what kind of weirdo has a problem with collective punishment and ethnic cleansing?Apparently he had a problem with people suggesting massive deportations as a response to the terrorist attack
He's probably not entirely wrong.
Everybody likes to think that they'd keep all their virtuous qualities were they in a vastly different situation (like for example, growing up in an impoverished warzone that's being torn apart by totalitarian dictators and religious fanatics), but the facts seem to suggest otherwise.
He's probably not entirely wrong.
Everybody likes to think that they'd keep all their virtuous qualities were they in a vastly different situation (like for example, growing up in an impoverished warzone that's being torn apart by totalitarian dictators and religious fanatics), but the facts seem to suggest otherwise.
or rather not doing what needs to be done
we are now going out of our way and travelling halfway around the world to pick up migrants and bring them back here .. this is utter madness .. Trump should've told the aus pm that HE did not make that deal and he's not honoring shit
Its a reasonable comparison because we're comparing modern terrorist movements and in this case terrorists which operate in the UK by recruiting natives of the UK.
Sure the comparison isn't perfect I didn't bring up the comparison initially, I just thought it pretty hypocritical to say that the IRA situation is off limits as a basis for comparison but then draw a comparison to medieval conflicts as if they're relevant to 2017. When the other side does it you criticize them but when your side does you defend the politicization of history, its quite telling really.
And medieval conflicts are relevant how exactly?
Is that so? I suppose then bringing up the legacy of things like colonialism is fair as well? Since, you know, the history of Islamic immigration to Europe and the instability in the Middle East is deeply rooted in colonialism. Ah but I'm sure if I did that I'd be dog piled by the mouthbreathers. So what we're seeing here is pretty plainly a double standard in argumentation that you're perfectly willing to accept and perpetuate.
Yes, he does.Yeah Trump needs to stop this from happening if he can.
He's probably not entirely wrong.
Everybody likes to think that they'd keep all their virtuous qualities were they in a vastly different situation (like for example, growing up in an impoverished warzone that's being torn apart by totalitarian dictators and religious fanatics), but the facts seem to suggest otherwise.
Yeah crazy, what kind of weirdo has a problem with collective punishment and ethnic cleansing?
He's probably not entirely wrong.
Everybody likes to think that they'd keep all their virtuous qualities were they in a vastly different situation (like for example, growing up in an impoverished warzone that's being torn apart by totalitarian dictators and religious fanatics), but the facts seem to suggest otherwise.
Its a reasonable comparison because we're comparing modern terrorist movements and in this case terrorists which operate in the UK by recruiting natives of the UK.
Sure the comparison isn't perfect I didn't bring up the comparison initially, I just thought it pretty hypocritical to say that the IRA situation is off limits as a basis for comparison but then draw a comparison to medieval conflicts as if they're relevant to 2017. When the other side does it you criticize them but when your side does you defend the politicization of history, its quite telling really.
ISIS has been around for over a thousand years?Nobody said the IRA is "off limits". It's just an obvious deflection in a thread about a terrorist act that killed children just yesterday from a group that has been perpetuating terrorism for over a thousand years. To deny this is simply dishonest.
I'm talking about @dontsnitch treatment of Islamic history as an unbroken chain of terrorism(a modern word which poorly grafts onto the past despite his partisan rhetoric). You object to the comparison with a terrorist group from the 90s but ignore the politicization of 14 centuries of history. Pretty clear double standard.I legit don't get your meaning in how I politicize history. Maybe I'm missing something obvious.
I don't think there is any valid comparison to Islamic terrorism. No matter what timeline is examined. It's global, the membership is far more numerous than any other, it's indiscriminate, and it has claimed far more victims than any other. And the biggest one - there is no logical conclusion to a problem that stems from so many different demands.
ISIS has been around for over a thousand years?