Are there any submission superstars in the UFC currently?

Bobby00 said:
They shipped him to another continent in exchange for a past his prime wrestler who retired shortly after.
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It's crazy how something becomes homoerotic with just a little alteration.

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Islam sub all these dudes if he wasn’t trying to be a kickboxing superstar
 
There are lots of credentialed grapplers in the UFC. But few have successfully translated their BJJ skills to MMA.

You would think guys like Rodolfo Viera, Kron Gracie, and Ryan Hall would dominate but pure BJJ isn't the dominant force that it was back in the 90s. Everyone knows submissions and BJJ guys quickly learn that the butt scooting and guard pulling they rely on doesn't work in real combat.

Ironically, it's the less decorated BJJers like Charles Oliveira who have developed more effective MMA grappling.
 
Luckyme said:
There are lots of credentialed grapplers in the UFC. But few have successfully translated their BJJ skills to MMA.

You would think guys like Rodolfo Viera, Kron Gracie, and Ryan Hall would dominate but pure BJJ isn't the dominant force that it was back in the 90s. Everyone knows submissions and BJJ guys quickly learn that the butt scooting and guard pulling they rely on doesn't work in real combat.

Ironically, it's the less decorated BJJers like Charles Oliveira who have developed more effective MMA grappling.
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Charles does not have the same resume from pure BJJ like Gilbert or Rodolfo, but his transitions and submission technique is very high level. He does not force or crank anything, it’s all pure technique. That makes him different in comparison to other mma fighters, who have a grappling background but no BJJ credentials. Diego Lopes has the same kind of style.

Charles also still actively takes BJJ matches in gi and no-gi and I would not be surprised if he signs for a fight pass grappling event or BJJ superfight, if the LW titlefight is postponed again for next october or even summer 24.
 
Luckyme said:
There are lots of credentialed grapplers in the UFC. But few have successfully translated their BJJ skills to MMA.

You would think guys like Rodolfo Viera, Kron Gracie, and Ryan Hall would dominate but pure BJJ isn't the dominant force that it was back in the 90s. Everyone knows submissions and BJJ guys quickly learn that the butt scooting and guard pulling they rely on doesn't work in real combat.

Ironically, it's the less decorated BJJers like Charles Oliveira who have developed more effective MMA grappling.
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It's not really ironic. For the most part a lot of the successful kickboxers, boxers, judoka and wrestlers were not the top guys in their sports either.

It makes sense that guys who are at the very tippy-top are too specialized and likely don't have the same passion for joining MMA (also, there is more money now in grappling sports than back in the day, so it's at least viable to live a 6 figure life as a world class BJJ/wrestler).




And to others reading this - no most of the good wrestlers in the UFC are not true top guys. They are good but very few are world champion level. There are many levels above all-american, college wrestling isn't the equivalent of Damian Maia, Gilbert Burns, type of guys.
 
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Doctor Grudge said:
It's not really ironic. For the most part a lot of the successful kickboxers, boxers, judoka and wrestlers were not the top guys in their sports either.

It makes sense that guys who are at the very tippy-top are too specialized and likely don't have the same passion for joining MMA (also, there is more money now in grappling sports than back in the day, so it's at least viable to live a 6 figure life as a world class BJJ/wrestler).
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I would argue thats something thats shifted more in the last 10-15 years as BJJ/sub grappling has become a sport you can earn serious money from without Gracie as your last name. You look back to the 00's and you had some absolute top level BJJ guys like Werdum and Jacare commit to being rounded MMA fighters at a young age but thats become progressively less common, these days when you get big names moving to MMA is seems to be latter and as much about promoting their BJJ schools, arguably reverting more to the Gracie model of trying to win via BJJ alone.
 
Can’t believe Ryan Hall hasn’t been mentioned. Everything about that dude screams superstar
 
Submission stars are not absent.
Rather, teh massez have become submission starz.
Anti-BJJ became a thing early on in teh UFC, but through teh yearz we've been developing "MMA" fighters... instead of just one trick poniez... & so this is still a work in progress where no one discipline shines through.

BJJ excellence is still lethal... but they gotta re-evaluate their game to set thingz oop once they get into teh MMA areana now-a-dayz. Striking & Wresting are in teh same boat. Everyone has to up their game.

Mission accomplished for teh original concept of MMA. (or whatever name you call it by.)
 
Charlie racked up the highest submissions record in the most stacked division. That's pretty impressive
 
Rani Yayha at BW is still kicking around. He probably has double digit submission wins under the UFC/WEC. He's getting up there in age but he's one of the better grapplers to step foot in the octagon
 
Ogata said:
Any UFC fighters who can pull of sick grappling moves in terms of throws, takedowns to elaborate submission moves?

I was watching old Karo fights and besides judo, he had sick submission game. Leg locks out of nowhere, throws to armbars and the most insane reversals. I feel like UFC fighters today are either strikers who can nullify the ground or wrestlers who can get top position to grind it out.


I do not see any crazy submission fighters anymore it seems.
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Last main event seemed to have two of them fighting.
 
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