Ali is on the grill!’ Israeli settlers celebrate burning of Palestinian baby

Doesn't sound like the actions of someone interested in peace, killing the leader of the opposition while on the door steps of a deal.

We don't know who killed Arafat. It could have just as easily been Iran in order to stop a peace deal from happening and to further demonize Israel. I honestly dont see this as any less of a probability. It could also have been Russia with their propensity to use Polonium. Maybe Russia wanted to perpetuate the conflict to distract America in the larger geo political strategy. Who knows.

Or it may have been a rogue Mossad section wanting to keep status quo or what ever.

Why do you think Israel would do this so close to a peace deal?
 
We don't know who killed Arafat. It could have just as easily been Iran in order to stop a peace deal from happening and to further demonize Israel. I honestly dont see this as any less of a probability. It could also have been Russia with their propensity to use Polonium. Maybe Russia wanted to perpetuate the conflict to distract America in the larger geo political strategy. Who knows.

Or it may have been a rogue Mossad section wanting to keep status quo or what ever.

Why do you think Israel would do this so close to a peace deal?

I think the people in power on both sides benefit from continued conflict.

People seem to think this conflict will never end, because it is 1,000's of years old.

I disagree. The day the political elite of both parties no longer benefit from conflict, is the day it will end.

The US government could make it, so that it no longer benfited either if we chose to.
 
I don't care about the colour of your skin or which Great Sky Pixie you worship. If you taunt a child who was burned alive, you're a sick fuck.
 
The US government could make it, so that it no longer benfited either if we chose to.

Possibily. But How do you propose they do that?

Back on the other topic, watching the documentary on Arafats death, I don't like the chain of custody with the evidence. The polonium results were lifted from his personal effects in a duffle bag, and not from blood samples taken when he was alive. His widow was in possession of it since his death and it was the clothing he wore when admitted to care, and the clothing shes been in possession of since 2004.

It's very plausible that Hamas and Iran tampered with this evidence in order to frame Israel. They have the motive and the means.
 
Israel has offered two state solutions.

the problem is they can't settle on the borders even though public support from both sides are overwhelmingly in favor on a two state solution. With the Israel home expansion and development in lands next to East Jerusalem this offer from Israel hasn't really been sincere since 2012 IMO. At least I do no believe Israel is making a sincere effort when they are stealing and building on land that should belong to PLO... Unless they plan on giving these buildings to PLO after building it (highly doubt that)...
 
Possibily. But How do you propose they do that?

Back on the other topic, watching the documentary on Arafats death, I don't like the chain of custody with the evidence. The polonium results were lifted from his personal effects in a duffle bag, and not from blood samples taken when he was alive. His widow was in possession of it since his death and it was the clothing he wore when admitted to care, and the clothing shes been in possession of since 2004.

It's very plausible that Hamas and Iran tampered with this evidence in order to frame Israel. They have the motive and the means.

Many ways to skin a cat. How about for starters you go after the personal wealth of the political elite on both sides, and hold it ransom for a deal.
 
Ziononist expansion of the Israeli state has to be one of the more insidious moves in the region. However, anyone who has studied the conflict knows that Iran and Hamas will never let a deal be made, so Israel is basically like "fuck it".

When both sides say "fuck it all" the kids get hurt more. Imagine having rocks thrown at your head every other day by kids. After you or your sister lost an eye, or maybe some teeth you'd care a lot less about the suffering of those kids.

One things for sure, this is a symptom that the hatred on both sides runs about as deep as it can.

Bad players on both sides make it almost impossible to even begin a civil conversation.
A lot of people don’t realize the far right settlers are not who you want to get behind no matter who you think the land belongs to.
 
In China, they grill dogs, in Israel they grill Palestinians! Different cuisine, hard to judge...

On a more serious note, Hamas paid the parents to lie about their infant being killed by Israelis...both sides can do some effy stuff.
You have a source for that or are we just going to blame everything on Hamas all the time?
 
We don't know who killed Arafat. It could have just as easily been Iran in order to stop a peace deal from happening and to further demonize Israel. I honestly dont see this as any less of a probability. It could also have been Russia with their propensity to use Polonium. Maybe Russia wanted to perpetuate the conflict to distract America in the larger geo political strategy. Who knows.

Or it may have been a rogue Mossad section wanting to keep status quo or what ever.

Why do you think Israel would do this so close to a peace deal?
One thing we do know is who killed Anwar Sadat and why. With that kind of determination how can any progress actually take place.

 
Why they kiled him.

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Jimmy Carter

Place: White House Lawn
Date: March 16, 1979
Credit: The Jimmy Carter Library

Egyptian President Anwar Sadat (left), U.S. President Jimmy Carter, and Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin make a three-way handshake at the signing of the Egyptian-Israeli Peace
 
Ali is on the grill!’ Israeli settlers celebrate burning of Palestinian baby
Israel/Palestine
Jonathan Ofir on June 21, 2018 109 Comments


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Hussein Dawabshe, with his grandson Ahmad, in 2016.

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There’s something particularly disturbing about celebrating the burning alive of a baby.

This is precisely what Israeli Jewish settlers were doing yesterday, outside the court in Lod. “’Ali was burned, where is Ali? Ali is on the grill!”, they chanted, in reference to the 18-month old baby Ali Dawbsheh, who was burnt alive by Jewish terrorists in the West Bank town of Duma in 2015. Ali’s mother Riham and father Saad died of their wounds a few weeks later. Of the family of four, only 5-year-old Ahmad survived the arson with severe burns.

The terror-supporters were actually taunting Ali’s grandfather, Hussein Dawabshe, who was attending a preliminary hearing at which the court decided to indict one adult suspect who confessed to the murders, as well as a minor who was an accomplice. Hussein was accompanied by Palestinian-Israeli lawmakers Ayman Odeh and Ahmed Tibi. Tibi posted the video of the chanting, with policemen standing by doing nothing, and wrote:

“Where’s Ali? There’s no Ali. Ali is burned. On the fire. Ali is on the grill” – all this was thrown at our face – including at the grandfather Dawbsheh concerning his 18-month-old grandson by the riff raff of ‘price tag’. In front of us stood policemen and officers and did nothing. No words…

The terror supporters also referred to the other family members: “Where is Ali? Where is Riham? Where is Saad? It’s too bad Ahmed didn’t burn as well.”

This is certainly not the first time that the burning of this baby was celebrated. In December 2015, a video showing dozens of wedding guests celebrating the arson went public via Channel 10. The guests are seen dancing with Molotov cocktails, knives and guns, and stabbing a photo of baby Ali Dawabsheh. The wedding couple was said to be “very well known in the radical right”. Following widespread public outrage, Netanyahu distanced himself from the event, saying that these were “shocking images” which “show the true face of a group that constitutes a danger”, but he also provided the “many sides” narrative:

“That is not the proud religious Zionism that contributes to the state, and whose sons serve in the elite units in the army… It is also impossible to compare the scope of that terror with Arab terror. In the last month they [Arabs] carried out hundreds of attacks against us, and we saw just a few Jewish terrorist attacks.”

A year later, 13 people from what became known as the “murder wedding” were indictedfor incitement to terrorism.

Meanwhile, last month, in what was probably much less noticed, the Dawabsheh family home was torched once again:

“A group of settlers attacked my home at dawn today, breaking a window and throwing a Molotov cocktail inside before fleeing the scene,” Yasser Dawabsheh said. “We were lucky that I was able to hear them when they attacked, so I was able to evacuate all my family,” he said. “Fire crews reacted quickly and put out the fire before the whole house burnt down…”





http://mondoweiss.net/2018/06/settlers-celebrate-palestinian/

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WTF?

Hey, I'm glad Netanyahu denounced them(kind of), and that the people from the murder party were charged with inciting terror, but how the hell does anyone think this is OK.

This makes our tiki torch March look pretty mild.

Perhaps we should talk more of the threat of the radical right in Israel........

Discuss............
This should surprise absolutely no one! Israelis are raised to hate these people. From birth, they are not even allowed to see these people as human beings beings. It is this very propaganda that seeps out to unwitting fools the world over and allows for the multigenerational occupation and the continued ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian people.

For example, and you will notice this on any thread where the zionists expose themselves.

This is an atrocity.

Simultaneously, I can't remember the last time Hamas arrested a Palestinian terrorist,...
Go read the effing news. The Palestinian people are constantly in conflict with the PA and their (western paid for) cops. Beyond that, a minute percentage of Palestinians can legitimately be called terrorists. This is a politicized word that's repeated ad nauseum by an ever compliant press. Generally speaking, these are people with serious mental health issues. On the other hand, Israel's state sponsored terrorism against these people has been documented for over a century now. Yes, even before Israel, prior to 1948.

Spare me outrage over terrorism. Anyone who supports Palestine over Israel isn't genuinely horrified by terrorism, or the lack of public remorse over unconscionable acts of violence.
Bullshit. See above. Typical zionist propaganda begins with accusing your enemy of exactly what you, yourself are guilty of.

That doesn't steer your beliefs. Unchecked expansionism is the issue, here. Focus on that.
Bingo. Go read 'Plan Dalet' or 'Plan B.' And then go find yourself a map of Eretz (Greater) Israel.


Ziononist expansion of the Israeli state has to be one of the more insidious moves in the region. However, anyone who has studied the conflict knows that Iran and Hamas will never let a deal be made, so Israel is basically like "fuck it".
Israel never took the deal. They don't want these people there. See above.

The Palestinians in 1988 and few years later on the fucking White House lawn, agreed both times to two states.

When both sides say "fuck it all" the kids get hurt more. Imagine having rocks thrown at your head every other day by kids.
Oh please, Israeli settlers regularly come down from their illegal settlements and outposts to not only throw rocks, but come down firing automatic weapons and they do this under the protection of the IDF. Or the ADF (Apartheid Demolition Forces) depending on your perspective. If that isn't classic state funded terror, then I don't know what is.

At the same time, Palestinian children throw rocks at tanks rolling down their streets, they get locked up and tortured for this childish behavior. The numbers of children that fall in this category are staggering and what's worse is that many of these kids have never even thrown a stone. Many times this is simply a story from an Israeli.


People seem to think this conflict will never end, because it is 1,000's of years old.
This is another GIGANTIC problem when discussing this stuff rationally. No, this isn't a religious battle dating thousands of years. That is a conflation. This conflict really only dates to the beginning of the zionist movement. More specifically when the European terrorists came to Palestine and started blowing up churches, banks, buses, et cetera. And understand that their targets were not just Christian and Muslim for they were murdering Jews as well.

The Palestinian people were a huge majority Muslim, a small percentage of Christians and an even smaller percentage of Jews when the zionists arrived/immigrated/invaded. They were all legitimate targets for these psychopaths.

I must stress again here that prior to the creation of Israel in Palestine (less than 100 years ago), we had no problems with these people.
 
Not until Iran stops funding and training Hamas.
Iranian revolution only happened in 1979 and Hamas only came into being in any significant way in the 80s. Trying to pin the whole conflict on those two is pretty silly since it predates them by decades.

The reality is this; the two state solution is dead. The conflict will only end if Israel creates one state and annexes the Palestinians territories and grants the Palestinians equal rights(something they won't do because Israel is a racist state that can't allow a non-Jewish majority electorate) or the Israels push the rest of the Palestinians into the sea or onto reservations. The Israelis seem to prefer the latter.
They wouldn't be able to engage the enemy if they hadn't. Their enemies embed themselves with the civilian population and are often civilians.
You do realize Gaza is one of the most densely populated regions on earth right? Its not like they have a choice whether or not to be embedded among the civilians when they're all packed together like animals.
 
Stories like these almost make you think there was a reason Jews were chased out of 109 countries. Then you realise they were all just anti-Semites. The Jews have bought us great things like interracial porn, communism, and predatory lending. I'm sure if they were celebrating the burning of a baby they had a good reason.
 
Why they kiled him.

jimmy-carter-sadat-begin.jpg


Jimmy Carter

Place: White House Lawn
Date: March 16, 1979
Credit: The Jimmy Carter Library

Egyptian President Anwar Sadat (left), U.S. President Jimmy Carter, and Israeli Prime Minister Menachem Begin make a three-way handshake at the signing of the Egyptian-Israeli Peace
Sadat fucked over the Syrians. The Egyptians and Syrians had a joint offensive to take back their land in 73 and increase the bargaining power of the Arabs but then Sadat broke ranks and made his own deal leaving the Syrians high and dry. Just one other reason why Sadat was a shit successor to Nasser.
 
Disgusting. Israelis should be calling settlers out. They're a problem that needs to be dealt with.
 
Just remember, many of the most vehement supporters of open borders for the West and those currently orchestrating the outrage over Trump's 'inhumane/racist/evil/literally Hitler' border policies, are the same people who fully support this kind of thing from Israel.
 
Just remember, many of the most vehement supporters of open borders for the West and those currently orchestrating the outrage over Trump's 'inhumane/racist/evil/literally Hitler' border policies, are the same people who fully support this kind of thing from Israel.

I haven't seen anyone support the taunting of a burned child, links?
 
Here's a recent one. Same media outlet, same author, both just a few weeks apart:

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America separating adults and children at the border (even though the reasons for doing this are obvious) - bad, must be stopped.

Israel killing people at their border, many of whom are unarmed women and children, journalists, aid workers and medics - not only is this OK, it's an obligation.

The media is full of examples like this and the agenda and double standards should be obvious.
 
And Jews wonder why they're so despised.
 
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