A bloody end to a multicultural fairy-tale: Balkan wars

[bad mojo]

You can’t compare the Balkans to Western Europe. Everyone in the Balkans hated each other for over 900 years so wars were always inevitable for these people who still in this day don’t recognize each other and still reclaim each other’s lands.

While I agree to a point, there were ongoing wars on a multiple levels: civil AND religious. While Serbs and Croats always fought on the opposite sides, conflict in Kosovo was a case where people were allowed to enter the country illegally, get all the benefits while actively planning to conquer the land. Native population was forced to stay silent or lose jobs, end up in jail or worse.

 

[snakedafunky]

Well, they have won their own nations now. A significantly improved development from about a hundred years ago.

Not surprising that they aren't necessarily first in line to be "incorporated" to another federation. Didn't work so well in the past.

The Ottoman Empire, The Russian Empire, The Austro-Hungarian Empire, Nazi Germany, USSR, Yugoslavia, etc.

How many times does a concept need to fail before people will learn?

The difference would be that this time its voluntary and peaceful. They actually want to join.
But when I say joining the EU. I mean in a few decades those countries still aren't ready also they would like to join now.
Taking in countries like Bulgaria and Romania was already done to fast.
I would give them some kind of partly membership first.

 

[bad mojo]

@bad mojo If you could please describe the fighting for us. What was that experience like for you. Were there clearly defined front lines or was this a personal war, kind of thing. I want to get out of the specific politics of who did what (to avoid that silly debate), as much as getting your on the ground personal experience. As in what is the street view of things.

I grew up in Serbia's capital, Belgrade, but my father is from Kosovo. His father was killed by mu muslims there in WW2, my father volunteered during the war in Croatia. So I enrolled in Serbian army in 1998, a year before an open conflict broke up. Fighting in Bosnia and Croatia was nightmare, enemy would often be just a couple of steps from you. In cities, two buildings across the street would exchange fire.

I was in a recon squad in Kosovo. Our tasks were mainly getting the information about enemy forces, so our special teams could go in there and take them out. Since there were around 600 NATO planes everyday above Serbia at the time, our guys could not gather information from air. I was 19 at the time, surreal experience. I would be much more afraid now, since I'm a father, back then I was ok with dying, as long as I'm not taken alive.

 

[Prutfis]

Mladić actually tried to stop the killings, but his head would roll also. Killings in Srebrenica were vengeance for what muslims from Srebrenica did on Christmas eve 1993, when they left "military free" city and massacred civilians. There was no way to stop Serbian soldiers from doing what they did, Mladić managed to get the women and young kids out alive.

Serbian revisionist history really has no shame. I guess he got the name butcher of Bosnia because he was handing out steaks and shit.

 

[bad mojo]

Serbian revisionist history really has no shame. I guess he got the name butcher of Bosnia because he was handing out steaks and shit.

Contrary to what reputable sources like CNN and BBC told you, Mladić was an old-school communist general. He knew that entering Srebrenica would be disaster. But since many of Serbian officers had their families massacred while they were preparing for Christmas by the guys coming out from "military free" zone, he decided to take the city. Srebrenica was completely surrounded by Serbian forces the entire duration of war, he could have taken it anytime.

When Serbs entered Srebrenica, the plan was to kill everyone. Mladić was held at the gun point by his officers, believe it or not. He managed to get the women and children out of there with the help of UN forces.

 

[The ScorpioN]

Good thread.

I picture bad mojo looking like

 

[Seaside]

Dont get me started. Let alone on NATOs disgusting role destroying serbia and helping create greater Albania via kosovo splitting off and helping set stage for saudi mosque and wahhabi sunni money to flow into the balkans. All to "stick it" to Russia and the orthodox christians.
The west was also big behind getting puppets in what became montenegro to separate from serbia to close off ocean access of serbia.

 

[bad mojo]

Good thread.

I picture bad mojo looking like

You're too kind, Sherbro.

 

[Seaside]

Are there any statues left of Tito. Tito kept Yugoslavians from killing each other.

Yugoslavia was a paradise under Tito basically. A prime example of left wig socialist economics tied with sensible nationalist policies and respect for western slav identity.

Nato was also behinf puppets in montenegro and there break off from serbian republic. Why? To close serbia off from ocean water access?

 

[bad mojo]

Dont get me started. Let alone on NATOs disgusting role destroying serbia and helping create greater Albania via kosovo splitting off and helping set stage for saudi mosque and wahhabi sunni money to flow into the balkans. All to "stick it" to Russia and the orthodox christians.

Yes. The great misfortune regarding Serbia is that there were no social media or independent ways of informing the rest of the world what really went on back then.

 

[Roaming East]

Serbian revisionist history really has no shame. I guess he got the name butcher of Bosnia because he was handing out steaks and shit.

i hear he was pretty handy when it came to serving kebab...

 

[bad mojo]

i hear he was pretty handy when it came to serving kebab...

Savage

 

[Roaming East]

Savage

 

[Malvo]

I grew up in Serbia's capital, Belgrade, but my father is from Kosovo. His father was killed by mu muslims there in WW2, my father volunteered during the war in Croatia. So I enrolled in Serbian army in 1998, a year before an open conflict broke up. Fighting in Bosnia and Croatia was nightmare, enemy would often be just a couple of steps from you. In cities, two buildings across the street would exchange fire.

I was in a recon squad in Kosovo. Our tasks were mainly getting the information about enemy forces, so our special teams could go in there and take them out. Since there were around 600 NATO planes everyday above Serbia at the time, our guys could not gather information from air. I was 19 at the time, surreal experience. I would be much more afraid now, since I'm a father, back then I was ok with dying, as long as I'm not taken alive.

Thank you for your service.

 

[bad mojo]

Thank you for your service.

Hi man, I haven't seen you around a long time, from that paranormal thread in Mayberry. Hope you're doing fine.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Propaganda is a powerful thing.

If Serbia was closer aligned to the West, and further from Russia, it'd be a totally different story.

I think that would be very obvious to those who look into things seriously.

 

[Malvo]

Hi man, I haven't seen you around a long time, from that paranormal thread in Mayberry. Hope you're doing fine.

I'm doing well, brother. Thanks.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

I would add that IIRC some of the 9-11 hijackers were Bosnian Mujahideen.

These little scumbags were basically used as bait for large geopolitical wars (pro-west regime change in Iraq and Eastern Europe).

 

[bad mojo]

I would add that IIRC some of the 9-11 hijackers were Bosnian Mujahideen.

These little scumbags were basically used as bait for large geopolitical wars (pro-west regime change in Iraq and Eastern Europe).

Yes, there are lot of information about the Balkan jihadist involvement in terrorist attacks across the globe. Serbian military knew that Osama bin Laden spent almost entire 1998 in Kosovo. Today, Kosovo and Bosnia are among leading ISIS recruitment locations, apart from middle east.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

Yes, there are lot of information about the Balkan jihadist involvement in terrorist attacks across the globe. Serbian military knew that Osama bin Laden spent almost entire 1998 in Kosovo. Today, Kosovo and Bosnia are among leading ISIS recruitment locations, apart from middle east.

Yeah, well, it doesn't take much looking into to realize the U.S. and Britain will dickride Muslim holy warriors as long as they're fighting against Russia's interests.

But you know, Bush jumped and said "you're either with us, or with the terrorists." It's a level of absurdity that really only in the world of politics could such obvious bullshit be rammed home. Like sticking Saudi Arabia on the Human Rights council like fuckface Cameron was set on.