Opinion Zuby's "20 Things I've Learned About Humanity During The Pandemic"

[panamaican]

You’re intelligent enough to understand the conundrum you’ve created by pretending to tell others who to give credibility to on opinions, all the while being a random nobody....on a karate forum....right?

Just follow the logic for a moment to understand the absurdity of your position.

Yup, I am a random nobody. Which is why I don't know why my disregard for Zuby bothers you so much? I must not have enough followers...

If I had 501K followers then you'd assign me credibility on this subject.

You must realize the absurdity of this super obvious retort you provided. Panamaican is a nobody so his opinion doesn't matter but Zuby's opinion...well, that's some sacrosanct shit because he has followers.

I'm literally laughing out loud at this. Followers bestow credibility for Zuby. Lack of followers means no credibilitiy for Panamaican. But followers don't bestow credibility for Lebron James. The inconsistent logic should be smacking you in the face right about now.

 

[panamaican]

Except blatantly missing the gut wrenching hypocrisy of your entire premise...

which is?

 

[Natural Order]

which is?

That with such certainty you expect us to believe you.

Derp.

 

[Cyrano200]

How about you address what I said about "appeals to false authority"?

And, no, I didn't start talking about followers.


That's in the OP.

Fine, I missed that in the OP. The point is whatever you are saying now is not refuting anything Zuby said.

 

[spamking]

My colleague just said he’s so hungry he could crush two burgers. He’s not a credible source on world hunger or the meat packing industry so I dismissed his hunger pains.

 

[Natural Order]

Yup, I am a random nobody. Which is why I don't know why my disregard for Zuby bothers you so much? I must not have enough followers...

If I had 501K followers then you'd assign me credibility on this subject.

You must realize the absurdity of this super obvious retort you provided. Panamaican is a nobody so his opinion doesn't matter but Zuby's opinion...well, that's some sacrosanct shit because he has followers.

I'm literally laughing out loud at this. Followers bestow credibility for Zuby. Lack of followers means no credibilitiy for Panamaican. But followers don't bestow credibility for Lebron James. The inconsistent logic should be smacking you in the face right about now.

Youre not wrong about the follower concept at all. But I don’t think you thought through the fact that youre Zuby.

Nowhere did I give credence to his opinions for any reason.

 

[panamaican]

That with such certainty you expect us to believe you.

Derp.

I already responded to this. I thought you had something new to add.

 

[Natural Order]

Yup, I am a random nobody. Which is why I don't know why my disregard for Zuby bothers you so much? I must not have enough followers...

If I had 501K followers then you'd assign me credibility on this subject.

You must realize the absurdity of this super obvious retort you provided. Panamaican is a nobody so his opinion doesn't matter but Zuby's opinion...well, that's some sacrosanct shit because he has followers.

I'm literally laughing out loud at this. Followers bestow credibility for Zuby. Lack of followers means no credibilitiy for Panamaican. But followers don't bestow credibility for Lebron James. The inconsistent logic should be smacking you in the face right about now.

For somebody who regularly chastises others for their poor reading skills you’ve really outdone yourself with this one.

 

[Natural Order]

I already responded to this. I thought you had something new to add.

Youre mad that your position is absurd and cancels itself. Every sentence youve typed in retort in this thread is sheer arrogance.

 

[panamaican]

Youre not wrong about the follower concept at all. But I don’t think you thought through the fact that youre Zuby.

Nowhere did I give credence to his opinions for any reason.

Actually, I thought that through quite thoroughly. It's why my initial post wasn't in response to anyone. Because I wasn't going to argue with anyone about their opinion on Zuby's tweet. I presented my general opinion that Zuby's opinion had no value. Which people should have ignored. It's my opinion but it's not worthy of multiple pages of discussion for why I hold it.

When people decide to argue with me about why I don't care about Zuby's opinion, they're embodying the very thing that I'm talking about. My opinion on Zuby's opinion is no more valuable than the opinion of the bum on the street. I'm entitled to it but it's not "valuable". Which is why, as noted, I didn't pick someone's opinion on Zuby's opinion and start arguing with them to agree with me.

 

[panamaican]

Fine, I missed that in the OP. The point is whatever you are saying now is not refuting anything Zuby said.

I never said I was refuting it. I said it has no value because the speaker has no credibility on the subject. Pretty much anyone with a twitter following has the same amount of credibility as this random rapper.

 

[Natural Order]

Actually, I thought that through quite thoroughly. It's why my initial post wasn't in response to anyone. Because I wasn't going to argue with anyone about their opinion on Zuby's tweet. I presented my general opinion that Zuby's opinion had no value. Which people should have ignored. It's my opinion but it's not worthy of multiple pages of discussion for why I hold it.

When people decide to argue with me about why I don't care about Zuby's opinion, they're embodying the very thing that I'm talking about. My opinion on Zuby's opinion is no more valuable than the opinion of the bum on the street. I'm entitled to it but it's not "valuable". Which is why, as noted, I didn't pick someone's opinion on Zuby's opinion and start arguing with them to agree with me.

Have a good one boss!

 

[blaseblah]

Zuby is a UK independent rapper, author, life & fitness coach, public speaker, and host of the 'Real Talk With Zuby' podcast. He has 439,000 twitter followers and has appeared on Joe Rogan's podcast. The list below is a thread he posted on twitter.

"@ZubyMusic
20 Things I've Learned (Or Had Confirmed) About Humanity During The 'Pandemic' :

1/ Most people would rather be in the majority, than be right.

2/ At least 20% of the population has strong authoritarian tendencies, which will emerge under the right conditions.

3/ Fear of death is only rivalled by the fear of social disapproval. The latter could be stronger.

4/ Propaganda is just as effective in the modern day as it was 100 years ago. Access to limitless information has not made the average person any wiser.

5/ Anything and everything can and will be politicised by the media, government, and those who trust them.

6/ Many politicians and large corporations will gladly sacrifice human lives if it is conducive to their political and financial aspirations.

7/ Most people believe the government acts in the best interests of the people. Even many who are vocal critics of the government.

8/ Once they have made up their mind, most people would rather to commit to being wrong, than admit they were wrong.

9/ Humans can be trained and conditioned quickly and relatively easily to significantly alter their behaviours - for better or worse.

10/ When sufficiently frightened, most people will not only accept authoritarianism, but demand it.

11/ People who are dismissed as 'conspiracy theorists' are often well researched and simply ahead of the mainstream narrative.

12/ Most people value safety and security more than freedom and liberty, even if said 'safety' is merely an illusion.

13/ Hedonic adaptation occurs in both directions, and once inertia sets in, it is difficult to get people back to 'normal'.

14/ A significant % of people thoroughly enjoy being subjugated.

15/ 'The Science' has evolved into a secular pseudo-religion for millions of people in the West. This religion has little to do with science itself.

16/ Most people care more about looking like they are doing the right thing, rather than actually doing the right thing.

17/ Politics, the media, science, and the healthcare industries are all corrupt, to varying degrees. Scientists and doctors can be bought as easily as politicians.

18/ If you make people comfortable enough, they will not revolt. You can keep millions docile as you strip their rights, by giving them money, food, and entertainment.

19/ Modern people are overly complacent and lack vigilance when it comes to defending their own freedoms from government overreach.

20/ It's easier to fool a person than to convince them that they have been fooled.

Bonus thought: 21/ Most people are fairly compassionate and have good intentions (this is good)
As a result, most people deeply struggle to understand that some people, including our 'leaders', CAN have malicious or perverse intentions (this is bad)."


Agree/Disagree? Why?

He's from the UK so I'll give him an excuse for not figuring this out after 9/11. That said, if he's saying this to cry about masks or the vaccine he's an idiot.

 

[BIKES!]

And those people are wasting their time. Because LBJ is a basketball player. He's entitled to his opinion but it provides no more insight just because he has 50M followers than if I asked some bum on the street. And Zuby is a rapper, his opinion provides no more insight than that same bum.

But if 500,000 followers means we should care then 50,000,000 must mean we should care even more. I think both of those positions are absurd - followers don't mean the person knows what they're talking about. But I'm consistent here and many of you are not.

What Zaby said was is not equal to what Lebron said. Zaby is not targeting nor slandering a police department, a person (the officer in this case), a place, an entire race of people. Zaby didn't offer his opinion as an objective fact where has LBJ's claims need to be supported by objective facts given the damage. How on earth one could conflate Zaby's comments in the OP to Lebron claiming of racist cops hunting black people is beyond me.

 

[MicroBrew]

What I learned is :

That , in America at least, toilet paper is King !

That there is always people around who will try to exploit people during a trajedy or national disaster. I am referring to the shits that bought up all the masks, sanitizer, toilet paper etc... to flip it at a huge profit.

There are assholes who don't give a shit about the community and nation as a whole, and only think about their 'muh freedoms' .

 

[Holic]

What I learned is :

That , in America at least, toilet paper is King !

That there is always people around who will try to exploit people during a trajedy or national disaster. I am referring to the shits that bought up all the masks, sanitizer, toilet paper etc... to flip it at a huge profit.

There are assholes who don't give a shit about the community and nation as a whole, and only think about their 'muh freedoms' .

Yeah the tp shortage doesn't say much for Americans when bidets are so cheaply and readily available.

 

[panamaican]

What Zaby said was is not equal to what Lebron said. Zaby is not targeting nor slandering a police department, a person (the officer in this case), a place, an entire race of people. Zaby didn't offer his opinion as an objective fact where has LBJ's claims need to be supported by objective facts given the damage. How on earth one could conflate Zaby's comments in the OP to Lebron claiming of racist cops hunting black people is beyond me.
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See, this is the inconsistent and poor reasoning that I'm referring to.

They're both opinions. You're sitting around dissecting the credibility of LBJ's opinion like it matters. Is he not entitled to his perspective the same as this Zuby character?

Zuby's post has the same amount of supporting facts (none, he supports none of his claims with facts), he cites numbers and makes claims about people's mindset. Shouldn't that be supported by objective facts? LBJ should have supporting facts but Zuby shouldn't? Why? And if credibility is just a circle-jerk, why do either of them need supporting facts?

You're applying two different levels of assessment to random tweets by random celebrities. You're holding LBJ to a particular standard but ignoring that standard when looking at Zuby's tweet. I'm applying the same standard to both of them - neither of them are credible. In contrast, you disagree with LBJ so you expect his tweets to be supported by facts because you don't assign him credibility just because of his fame. But you agree with Zuby, so you've waived the requirement that he support his opinion with facts and his fame is all the credibility that you need.

It's bad reasoning because it's inconsistent. If Zuby had tweeted what LBJ tweeted and LBJ had tweeted what Zuby tweeted, you have required credibility from Zuby and waived it for LBJ. Your emotional response to the tweets is dictating the amount of supporting facts and credibility that you require from these 2 random celebs.

 

[Rygu]

Zuby has a degree in Computer Science from Oxford and is the UK female deadlift record holder.

He's more accomplished than 99% of those on these forums.

His list, although some of them are pretty common sense, is quite accurate.

 

[ultramanhyata]

What a stupid list. More right wing nonsense about being persecuted because you had to wear a mask to get KFC and had to sit home for 3 months.

That's the suffering that gave Marjorie Taylor Greene a better understanding of what the Jews endured in Hitler's Germany.

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

That's the suffering that gave Marjorie Taylor Greene a better understanding of what the Jews endured in Hitler's Germany.

Yeah watching Netflix and people getting government bonus money is exactly like hitlers Germany.


You understand these people are on the lowest rung of the human ladder. The fact we have to even live next to them is frightening.