"You're not getting nothing in these countries" - Tyson Fury

[HHJ]

Kinda interesting that he was fine with losing the first decision but not this one. Maybe its just post-fight emotions.

He's havin a hard time not being the "best of the era" anymore.

He went out there and Usyk beat him easier than the first time. The gap is too wide now.

I remember when Fury fought Klitchsko, in the face off show, you had this dominant champion who was basically shut into silence by the super confident Fury.


Now Fury is on the other side of it, even though Usyk doesnt brag, the guy's come and taken it from him. Not even a younger bigger dude. An older smaller guy who is better at boxing than him.

 

[mozfonky]

He's havin a hard time not being the "best of the era" anymore.

He went out there and Usyk beat him easier than the first time. The gap is too wide now.

I remember when Fury fought Klitchsko, in the face off show, you had this dominant champion who was basically shut into silence by the super confident Fury.


Now Fury is on the other side of it, even though Usyk doesnt brag, the guy's come and taken it from him. Not even a younger bigger dude. An older smaller guy who is better at boxing than him.

He didn't seem fine about the first one either, no one ever confirmed it but there was a vid floating around of him on the ground outside a pub.

 

[HHJ]

He didn't seem fine about the first one either, no one ever confirmed it but there was a vid floating around of him on the ground outside a pub.

I'm sure he wasn't fine, but he at least knew he had another crack at him

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

He didn't seem fine about the first one either, no one ever confirmed it but there was a vid floating around of him on the ground outside a pub.

Yeah back in June. I was the one that made the thread about it.

 

[tank666]

I wanted him to win and thought it was closer than some people here think but he definitely lost.

Still think he beats AJ. Not interested in seeing him lose to Usyk again. He could beat and then maybe face winner of DDD v Parker if he wants another title.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

He could beat and then maybe face winner of DDD v Parker if he wants another title.

There's no need for an Usyk trilogy now and only 1 belt is elsewhere which is with Dubois. However, this still leaves Fury in a predicament. If Dubois beats Parker then he'll fight Usyk next per Turki. If Parker wins then there will probably be a rematch. Even if there wasn't, Fury & Parker are very close friends and training partners. They won't fight each other.

 

[mozfonky]

Yeah back in June. I was the one that made the thread about it.

ya, that's not a good sign unless he did that all the time.

 

[mozfonky]

I wanted him to win and thought it was closer than some people here think but he definitely lost.

Still think he beats AJ. Not interested in seeing him lose to Usyk again. He could beat and then maybe face winner of DDD v Parker if he wants another title.

he was competitive, he didn't embarrass himself, just didn't throw or land enough. It's hit and don't get hit, whoever does that better..,

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

ya, that's not a good sign unless he did that all the time.

That's what I said until we were told that it's "normal" over in Britain.

 

[mozfonky]

That's what I said until we were told that it's "normal" over in Britain.

You're on East coast? I thought you were over there somewhere, but never sure.

 

[tank666]

That's what I said until we were told that it's "normal" over in Britain.

Lol I was gonna say it's kind of normal over here to get that hammered. Maybe not for professional athletes though.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

You're on East coast? I thought you were over there somewhere, but never sure.

I'm in Pennsylvania and was born here. Lived in Ohio previously.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

Lol I was gonna say it's kind of normal over here to get that hammered. Maybe not for professional athletes though.

I can't imagine it's that common with such high level athletes but what would I know. You guys like the drink but there are many other countries that like it even more. Romania, Czechia (I'm part Czech), Russia, they consume even more alcohol per capita.

 

[mozfonky]

I can't imagine it's that common with such high level athletes but what would I know. You guys like the drink but there are many other countries that like it even more. Romania, Czechia (I'm part Czech), Russia, they consume even more alcohol per capita.

I always heard it was normal for the Irish to drink a lot, but for russians it's super common, some say because of the cold. Europe period, I hear, looks at drinking totally differently, give their kids wine and everything. different world, never been there.

 

[Kovalev's "Man Bag"]

I always heard it was normal for the Irish to drink a lot, but for russians it's super common, some say because of the cold. Europe period, I hear, looks at drinking totally differently, give their kids wine and everything. different world, never been there.

Yeah the Irish drink a ton. Even here in the US when we celebrate St. Patrick's Day millions of people get wasted every year. Even more than on Cinco de Mayo. It might even surpass the level of drinking on NYE here. Europe has everyone beat. My family used to live in Germany. They'd attend the Oktoberfest which is the biggest annual beer drinking festival in the world. We have our own version here in the US but it's not on that same level.

I used to like some Irish drinks like Guinness and in my younger years I'd have the occasional Irish Car Bomb (a cocktail named after one of the IRA's attacks in Northern Ireland). Russians love their vodka. Another well-known drinking city is Prague. They get shitfaced like you wouldn't believe over in the Czech Republic.

 

[mozfonky]

Yeah the Irish drink a ton. Even here in the US when we celebrate St. Patrick's Day millions of people get wasted every year. Even more than on Cinco de Mayo. It might even surpass the level of drinking on NYE here. Europe has everyone beat. My family used to live in Germany. They'd attend the Oktoberfest which is the biggest annual beer drinking festival in the world. We have our own version here in the US but it's not on that same level.

I used to like some Irish drinks like Guinness and in my younger years I'd have the occasional Irish Car Bomb (a cocktail named after one of the IRA's attacks in Northern Ireland). Russians love their vodka. Another well-known drinking city is Prague. They get shitfaced like you wouldn't believe over in the Czech Republic.

I hate booze, the damage it's done to my family and my race is horrendous. People that drink rationalize it in a million ways. Some people can handle it just fine, havent known many of my folks who can handle it. It's just playing with fire in my mind.

 

[pugilistico]

I remember from when i was a young fan, there would be a losing fighter incredulous that he lost. I just thought they were a tad delusional and didn't think it was them trying to sway anything, just delusional. I used to think, "how could they not realize hey were losing?" Well, like Holyfield used to say about his opinions on fights he was in, "I have to go back and look, I wasn't watching the fight, I was in the fight". As far as sour grapes? I always quote Mills Lane who said, "If you show me a good loser I'll show you someone I want to fight everyday".

I think that's something most people don't understand. To be a competitor at this kind of level in anything, much less boxing, you need have a delusional level of confidence. You have to believe that you won't lose and even if you do lose, it's because the judges were wrong. That's the level of confidence you need to compete at the highest level. It's something I didn't have when I competed. If I lost, I thought the judges probably had it right.

Very few fighters at that level are really humble. Beterbiev comes to mind but that guy seems to operate like a machine.

 

[mozfonky]

I think that's something most people don't understand. To be a competitor at this kind of level in anything, much less boxing, you need have a delusional level of confidence. You have to believe that you won't lose and even if you do lose, it's because the judges were wrong. That's the level of confidence you need to compete at the highest level. It's something I didn't have when I competed. If I lost, I thought the judges probably had it right.

Very few fighters at that level are really humble. Beterbiev comes to mind but that guy seems to operate like a machine.

of course they are by definition but they need objectivity from somewhere. Hagler's corner never let on that he was losing the biggest fight of his career, he thought he was doing fine. No one was more delusionally confident than Marvin, and it has nothing to do with his deserving to be or not. When he said, "no one is the same after fighting me" it was a statement that had a lot of truth to it but not always and not every single opponent. He was one of the worst cases of that delusional thinking you'll ever see and he had a corner that, in that fight at least, didn't do their job. Lennox Lewis is another one, of course he's great but he was delusional before that and after that. I remember Larry Merchant tiring of that bullshit in the last post-fight interview he'd ever have. Lewis was just acting like everything was under control after the Klitschko fight and he was doing his too cool for school act and Larry called him on it, that's the only time I ever saw Lewis step back from that out of shock and just answer Larry's question. After all, that was the fight of his life.

Ali claimed he beat Frazier the first time, but that was just his ego. Once he won the next two fights, he became more accepting of his ass whipping and later plain admitting that he lost. You lose, you lose oftentimes because of something you didn't do, either before the fight or in the fight, you can't change that with delusion. Ali, for all his con, and it was just a con, knew that it wouldn't pay to argue with the judges, he could persuade his fans that the man had it in for him and he did, but he knew that the next time he fought him he'd have to do his work before the fight.

 

[Jonny Ninja]

That's what I said until we were told that it's "normal" over in Britain.

It really is, or certainly used to be when I used to do some door work in my youth. The current generation dont seem to be so heavily invested in our historic drinking culture, thankfully.

 

[tank666]

It really is, or certainly used to be when I used to do some door work in my youth. The current generation dont seem to be so heavily invested in our historic drinking culture, thankfully.

Yeah my sons 20 and at Uni now drinking more there because they have lots of social events etc. And he is in the Uni rugby team so all sorts events with that. Prior to that though he and his mates would go out but mostly drink only a little or not at all.

He and his friends prefer going to the gym and hanging out at people's houses more than going to clubs and pubs. His age group definitely seem more health conscious which is understandable with all social media pressures and influences. Another reason they drink less I think is because it's so easy to meet girls online. When I was his age nightclubs and pubs were the best way to get laid other than meeting people at work.