Your opinion - Was Jones on PEDs during the first fight with DC?

[Kryptt]

DC does everything right in and out of the cage with family, friends, role model while only having half the athletic gifts Jones has. I can see why DC hates Jones with a passion...

I'm a Jones fan and the worst part is not only did he pop after the DC win, but he caused DC to have to wait for that fight in the first place due to popping...

You can only take so much of someone in(terfering) your life for so long in such a capacity. This isn't just an annoying co-worker, this is someone who is influencing many aspects of his life. From monetarily to socially to mentally. I can understand DC's exhaustion with Jones...

I'm hoping DC has moved on from it mostly, though we can tell John is still deep in his head. Plus the question will always be brought up by media and others. Can DC beat Jones even more so at the HW level.

Ah well, its all pretty much wasted unless he makes it back to the cage somehow(day).

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Jon was bigger and in better shape that any of his other fights. It's just a convenient narrative for you guys that he was clean in this exact and only fight.

So, the one fight he's bigger and 'in better shape' was the one fight what's universally agreed upon as his worst performance... and he was 100% clean.

<puh-lease75>

 

[GearSolidMetal]

He fought OSP 23rd April.

Failed test 16th June

Was meant to fight DC July 10th, I didn't realise it was going to be such a quick turn around.

*Sigh*

Technically, your first post was correct, and this one is as well, but you need to be more specific.

It was announced he failed a test in early July '16, from a test he took in June. It takes a while for the results to come back.

Yes, it was after the OSP fight, but not immediately after. Its more specific to say it was immediately before UFC 200.

 

[tenniswhiz]

Dude try so hard to be a good Christian but ended up being the biggest POS ever. What's sad is he didn't need it to be the GOAT, now his life and career is a JOKE. DC does everything right in and out of the cage with family, friends, role model while only having half the athletic gifts Jones has. I can see why DC hates Jones with a passion...

What are you talking about?

DC is a 2 division champ while fighting clean.
DC is a former Olympian.
DC is educated and well spoken enough to have a job as a sportscaster.

 

[cmw43]

*Sigh*

Technically, your first post was correct, and this one is as well, but you need to be more specific.

It was announced he failed a test in early July '16, from a test he took in June. It takes a while for the results to come back.

Yes, it was after the OSP fight, but not immediately after. Its more specific to say it was immediately before UFC 200.

Agreed

 

[Boom_Ba_Ye]

Anyone brave enough to take PEDs during the USADA era was definitely juicing before it.

 

[Sirwastealot]

Do bears shit in the woods?

No opinion/can't be proven one way or another.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

85% of poll respondents - 'I'm sure/suspect Jones was on PEDs for the first DC fight.'

 

[Frank23]

Jon Jones was clean and won fair and square.

 

[Frank23]

No opinion/can't be proven one way or another.

Legit lol.

 

[dim_]

Theres only two possible correct answers to this...



1. He definitely was < This is impossible to prove, and therefore is not a valid answer. in the absense of a positive test theres no way anyone can say definately.

2. He probably was < this is one possible answer. Hes tested positive twice, so its really fair to assume that hes a career doper

3. No opinion/Cant be proven one way or another < this is another possible answer (and probably the correct one) we simply dont know

4. I dont think he was < anyone saying this is an idiot

5. he definitely wasnt < The only person who can possibly select this answer is Jon himself. Hes the only one that actually knows for sure.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Theres only two possible correct answers to this...
1. He definitely was < This is impossible to prove, and therefore is not a valid answer. in the absense of a positive test theres no way anyone can say definately.

You are correct, it is impossible to prove, unless the NSAC still have his samples from Jan 2015.

However, the question contains 'In your opinion...' so proof is not required, and due to Jon's tactics inside the octagon, personal character, and testing standards pre-USADA, we can make an educated guess.

*He resorts to illegal tactics - Eyepokes*
*His brothers are in the NFL, so he would have connections to get specific PEDs.
*His 'brushes with the law' imply he's extremely reckless at best, and has no respect for laws/rules at worst.
*He's a cocaine user, and at best can be said he's reckless with what he consumes, which addresses your last point that he may not even know if he was on PEDs at that time.

I'm not a gambling man, but if I were would I put an entire paycheck on him being on PEDs for the first DC fight?

Yes I would, and it'd be what I'd consider a safe bet.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Bump.

 

[HAWTRIDDUM]

The test/epitest random test results kinda told me all i needed to know.

Justin Gatlin was banned from the olympics for the same type of results.

 

[Quietus]

Definitely was.

 

[GearSolidMetal]

The test/epitest random test results kinda told me all i needed to know.

Justin Gatlin was banned from the olympics for the same type of results.

Very true.

 

[markg171]

So, the one fight he's bigger and 'in better shape' was the one fight what's universally agreed upon as his worst performance... and he was 100% clean.

<puh-lease75>

Actually my point is that the OSP fight was when he was in the best shape and should be the fight you'd question if he's on PEDs for based on his look short of a positive test literally saying he was, but that people don't as it wouldn't fit their narrative that Jon is only a "average" fighter off PEDs. So they ignore it and say he was clean for solely that fight.

People simply want Jon to be clean for the OSP fight to fit their narrative. I'm saying that's the fight he looked the most like he came in on PEDs for (and failed shortly thereafter).

 

[GearSolidMetal]

Actually my point is that the OSP fight was when he was in the best shape and should be the fight you'd question if he's on PEDs for based on his look short of a positive test literally saying he was,

He was in the best shape because he was weightlifting for a year.

He went from being the right picture, to his fight camp for OSP.

but that people don't as it wouldn't fit their narrative that Jon is only a "average" fighter off PEDs. So they ignore it and say he was clean

That 'narrative' is far more convincing than the narrative he was pure & clean before USADA testing, and just when they came around to testing him he's now popping for cocaine, big dick pills, and whatever else.

People simply want Jon to be clean for the OSP fight to fit their narrative. I'm saying that's the fight he looked the most like he came in on PEDs for (and failed shortly thereafter).

So, your narrative is that since he was clean for the OSP fight, that means he was clean for every fight before that.

 

[dim_]

Actually my point is that the OSP fight was when he was in the best shape.

you are judging best shape purely on physical attributes, muscles, basically

shape isnt just about a six pack..

cardio, how easy or tough the weight cut was, how well he recovered from the weight cut. and thats before you even look at the mental edge you gain from being on peds (or, the lower confidence someone could have if they suddenly have to perform without ped's)

yes, physically he was more muscular..

but was his cardio the same?
was his weight cut/recover the same?
was his confidence the same?

 

[PopeUrbanII]

You do not start cheating under USADA and look the same. He was on his whole career.