Your opinion on beating up on white belts

[Big Nasty Edison]

Boy i relate a lot with you, i used to be a lot like that a couple of years ago, now, class while rolling kind of bothers me, while facing white belts I either let them have fun or go kind of easy, but not going to teach while rolling that's for after the class, funny thing before I was an instructor, i did t a lot and liked it while upper belts were not doing it and I used to wonder why weren't they doing it... Now I get them

There's a lot of gray area. If it's a guy with a lot less size and experience then the roll will be more learning oriented for them if I like them. If they are a bigger guy then they don't get the same benefit and will have to carry the pressure.

I think of it like animals with their pups or cubs. When you see a adolescent puppy trying to rough house with the alpha male of the pack, the alpha is quick to open a can of whoop ass. But then once that's been established he might chill and play a little lol

Now with the bigger 4 stripe whites, blues and up is where I don't worry about what I'm giving them and just work for my own training benefits. But being TOO nice with the cubs will definitely hold you back.

 

[Grappleboxing]

As I'm a white belt, I feel that the more experienced belts in my school don't immediately smash me. They let me work a little bit and counter, and then I counter. They could smash me and sub me a million times, but what would be the point of that?

The white belt just gets smashed, and may or may not learn, and the higher belt might not have learned anything new either.

Whenever I roll with the newer white belts, I let them get me in bad positions so I can escape and work on my defense. No need to destroy them unless they're a douche or need to calm down.

 

[nefti]

Don't beat up on white belts, blue belts are a different story

 

[mattemate]

yea usually i just put myself in bad positions to start the roll. sometimes though they need an ego check, I was rolling with a marine the other day who tried to slam me when I had him in a triangle. that's when I went full smash mode

Skull ride?

 

[BJJ_Rage]

There's a lot of gray area. If it's a guy with a lot less size and experience then the roll will be more learning oriented for them if I like them. If they are a bigger guy then they don't get the same benefit and will have to carry the pressure.

I think of it like animals with their pups or cubs. When you see a adolescent puppy trying to rough house with the alpha male of the pack, the alpha is quick to open a can of whoop ass. But then once that's been established he might chill and play a little lol

Now with the bigger 4 stripe whites, blues and up is where I don't worry about what I'm giving them and just work for my own training benefits. But being TOO nice with the cubs will definitely hold you back.

sure bro, I agree, I just lost the will to do teach while rolling, I used to enjoy it, now I rather roll have them ask questions after the roll, unless is a brand new guy, then of course I lead the roll and give instructions...

 

[nefti]

Skull ride?

You shouldn't need to skull ride people to smash them. Side control/knee in belly/ spread chicken should all make is life miserable.

 

[Ton]

You shouldn't need to skull ride people to smash them. Side control/knee in belly/ spread chicken should all make is life miserable.

One doesn't need to train BJJ ether... but its fun

To be fair, i've never used skull ride on anyone... But it sounds like a good time.

 

[mattemate]

One doesn't need to train BJJ ether... but its fun

To be fair, i've never used skull ride on anyone... But it sounds like a good time.

Spread chicken?

 

[Was at Pride GP 2000]

Spread chicken?

Same as banana split???

 

[Was at Pride GP 2000]

My current club has a lot of white belts, and only a handful of blues, one purple and our black belt instructor. I just got my blue and I have a huge size and weight advantage on all our white belts. I play pretty safely with them. At the start of the roll, I'll match them until I catch something and sub them. Then after that I play. I don't give them crazy amounts of pressure, and if I'm holding a dominate position I'll "let" them escape. If they are so new they don't now the escape we'll work through it. They all say they appreciate it, and after the roll we might sit and chat about certain opportunities.

We had one first day guy come in I beat up on though. As big as me, probably more athletic. Bragging about his muay thai and MCMAP and this stuff. Going super hard, trying to defeat the moves in drilling. His GF is a 1 stripe white and she's cool. He was going super hard with everyone even drilling so when it came time to roll we teamed up. I let him start mounted, escaped, swept and was gonna footlock him and take the foot home until the purple who is assistance instructor was like "oh boy that foot lock looks pretty snug, wouldn't want anyone to get hurt!" to tell me "don't rip his foot off". Instead I took mount, gave him da pres and subbed him with a mounted wrist lock that I know had him sore for a while.

Afterwards he was rolling with his GF who is maybe 5'2'' and 100 lbs and he was going super rough with her and accidentally smacked her in the face and she started crying. If he comes back, this time the foot will go home with me.

Moral of the story is work with your partners and train. No one learns just from beating them up all the time if you are significantly more experienced. But sometimes, people just deserve a beatdown. They'll either learn a lesson or they'll not come back. Otherwise treat people how you want to be treated.

I accidentally hit her cause we were rolling hard and that's what happens. And my wrist is fine

Jk but I agree with what you are saying. Some new guys just need to know where the line is. From the time I was a blue til now it's always been our jobs to be cool with cool people and humble those that need to be humbled.

 

[nefti]

it's when you flatten your opponent when you have the back

 

[winterbike]

They're not real people until blue belt!

 

[SummerStriker]

There is a big difference between submitting a white belt and beating him up. You get bonus points for going the same way several times in a row and letting them know what to do.

I've seen a lot of jack-offs that try to hurt white belts to show them who is boss. If its an mma gym, its the same guys that run off the mat when someone they don't know comes in to spar.

 

[Knock Out Ned]

They could smash me and sub me a million times, but what would be the point of that?

Zhooo-zhitsu, my fren'.

The new white belts get smashed by the more experienced white belts. The blue belts work the white belts. The purple belts battle the blue belts. I take it to the white, blues, and purples, and my instructor twists me into a pretzel and subs me so much every time we roll that I start to question why I even try.

And on it goes this thing of ours.

 

[Vitamin C]

The white belt just gets smashed, and may or may not learn, and the higher belt might not have learned anything new either.

As a purple belt, I'm not learning much new in a roll with a white belt or anyone else for that matter.
Rolling is for practical application of knowledge learned from lessons and drilling.
What I can get out of tooling a white belt is repetitions of techniques and sequences to hone timing and pressure. That's what I'm aiming for now, since I'm feeling like anything less is sacrificing my own training time to the benefit of my partners.

 

[Striderxdj]

When I was a white belt, our blues and purples kicked our asses every class and those of us that stuck with it and sought advice got better very fast, but a lot of white belts couldn't handle it, didn't seel help, got frustrated and quit.

Now as a purple myself, I prefer giving them chances, positioning and showing them where they fuck*d up after I capitalize.

Some people want it but don't want to ask for help, but every white belt I've helped has been appreciative and it definitely helps retention getting the veterans to take some ownership of his teammates improvement.

 

[jack36767]

I'm an assistant coach for a high school wrestling program in a weaker state for wrestling who only had 1 NCAA qualifier from that state All but one of my kids right now are equivalent to white or low blue belts at best
I've learned/developed several approaches to it
1. Going live - don't say much beyond "keep going", "fight off your back" etc, the lower belts need to be going live not talking or learning technique
- the caveat to this is that how hard I go depends on who I'm going with, if it's a first year or JV kid I just play around with things and occasionally let them score if they do it properly, against my regular starters I go harder but usually don't completely destroy them, my returning state placer at 220... who has 35 pounds of muscle on his coach who's out of shape with a bad knee (yours truly), and destroys everyone else on the team. Then I go all out
2. Drilling is when I actually help

 

[These Two Hands]

If they're at a level where they're a viable threat, I'll give them a good roll. If they're very new or it'd be a fish in a barrel situation, I'll usually take it pretty easy, verbally remind them of options/opportunities they might not be seeing, just generally try to help them along as much as possible without trying to be condescending or act like I'm anything special - exactly what higher belts that I know and respect have done for me along my own journey.

If it's the kind of new guy that comes in off the street and tries to steamroll everybody (or even in a case where a guy in the beginners class hurt one of my buddies on purpose, just being a neanderthal) then I'll give some good presh (I'm 245lbs) or slap on one or two good subs quite quickly just to help remind them it's not the place to be a dick - after all if someone low ranking like me can do that, what would the upper belts be able to do? I don't hurt them or anything, but I think that sometimes being shown what Jiu Jitsu can do helps foster a deeper appreciation and respect for the art. I know for myself, every time I roll higher belts I come away with this feeling. And after I've done that with them, I'll usually switch back to rolling like I described in the first paragraph. Oh, and did I mention that for this latter example I'll be smiling and exceptionally friendly to them the entire way through?

 

[These Two Hands]

Also thought I should mention, ever since the first day I walked in the door, whenever I'm preparing for competition I always wanted to get lots of tough rolling in with more experienced and skilled Jiu Jiteiro, basically just wanting to get smashed a lot. So there'll be some competitive white belts who actually do want this.

 

[randomg1t]

i rarely tap anyone more than twice in a roll.

i never understood people that just go apeshit on someone and tap them every 15 seconds, for the whole 8min roll. after being subbed multiple times in the first minute, the noobs will be completely discouraged and won't be attempting even the few things they know. you're slapping submissions on someone putting up literally no defense, and they're just getting thrown around. perhaps it does some good psychologically, toughening them up or whatever, but i fail to see the benefit. if i want to improve on my armbars, i'll get my reps in while drilling, not while i'm rolling with some poor sod who can barely keep himself from falling over.

having said that, once you get to a certain level, rolling with noobs just becomes extremely boring. i try to avoid rolling with people who can offer me no resistance. i don't tell them no if they ask me to roll, but they're not exactly my first pick either.

oh and yeah, it's different if i see them go crazy on someone below them. then i'll just smash them to shit. but that's only happened a handful of times in all the years i've been training.