Your Bantamweight champion everyone

[Paolo Delutis]

I'll never understand these topics.

Yes, it'd be nice if weight cutting as a whole wasn't a thing. I think it's better for longevity and the athletes.

But to denigrate someone for doing what you're suppose to do is just silly. EVERYONE cuts, especially nowadays. It's been a hot minute since someone like Frankie stays within about 5 lbs of the division to fight because they'd rather have the speed/cardio.

Fact of the matter is, with proper weight cutting and proper training regimen you can maintain 95% or more of the speed/cardio you'd get for being 10 lbs lighter-15 lbs lighter, but now you're 5-10% stronger and bigger, too.

If I didn't cut to 181 from 195ish for my competitions I'd be competing 6'3" 7 foot wingspan 195ers...who cut from 205-210.

Why would I be idiotic enough to sign up for a 10-15 lb disadvantage instead of just cutting like everyone else?



What's with the recent weight monitor topics lately? I don't get it. It's literally not only in MMA, but every art in MMA (boxing, BJJ, MT, wrestling)... we cut weight in ALL of those sports when competing.

Or ...with same day weigh ins nobody would be cutting that much .. with this simple change the entire fight game changes and becomes safer and more competitive

Olympic wrestling, Judo, BJJ, Karate ETC all do same day weigh ins ... Nobody is cutting 20lbs and competing the same day ...


Ive never cut more then 8 lbs for a BJJ competitions and that was because i signed up like a week before to take over a training partners spot who had to pull out...

People are only cutting that much cuz there given 24 hours to do so with the stupid day before weigh ins..


Who cares if u make weight friday if ur fighting Saturday night... Why not weigh in the Saturday before and fight a week later... Theres no point to weight classes if your not the weight thats listed on the division..

Why is this such a hard concept for people to follow there are probably hundreds if not thousands of tournaments happening right now who use the same day weigh in..


All im getting is that people are happy they can game the system and their opponents by essentially lying about what division they can fight in .. which again defeats the purpose of having weight divisions...

bring back open weight then since we're not following weight classes any way...lets get jon Jones vs Leon Edwards booked for UFC 300...should be fine .. its just alittle be a of weight their both champions right?..high level guys... Leon cuts weight so he should be fine not having to cut weight and just fighting jones...you know since its clearly not a big deal ...so 195-200lbs Leon vs 255lbs Jones...ya lets book it...

Lmfao

 

[WoozyFailGuy]

Why is this such a hard concept for people to follow there are probably hundreds if not thousands of tournaments happening right now who use the same day weigh in..

Tournaments that aren't full contact, maybe. Grappling tournaments, shotokan tournaments and the like, not pugilistic bouts.
Simple solution is anyone that misses wright more than once should have to move up. But if guys want to reduce their capacity to take shots like Poatan at 185, it becomes a detriment rather than an advantage.
This argument is hinged on "The bigger fighter always wins" which simply isn't true.
What would be the "fair" amount of weight to cut? Do we become like boxing with 36 divisions so its "more fair"?
I actually support an open weight class tournament, but I doubt enough fighters would think a year of their career is worth it outside of some heavyweights and mighty mouse if they resign him.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Tournaments that aren't full contact, maybe. Grappling tournaments, shotokan tournaments and the like, not pugilistic bouts.
Simple solution is anyone that misses wright more than once should have to move up. But if guys want to reduce their capacity to take shots like Poatan at 185, it becomes a detriment rather than an advantage.
This argument is hinged on "The bigger fighter always wins" which simply isn't true.
What would be the "fair" amount of weight to cut? Do we become like boxing with 36 divisions so its "more fair"?
I actually support an open weight class tournament, but I doubt enough fighters would think a year of their career is worth it outside of some heavyweights and mighty mouse if they resign him.

Lol Tell me you've never been Judo thrown or wrestling tossed on to your head without telling me you've never been thrown or tossed on your head .... These are extremely taxing sports on the body through multiple matches a day and through the impacts they take ...

Also full contact karate follows the same thing

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyokushin_World_Cup_in_Weight_Categories

Incase you dont know what that means



This is the Karate GSP trained in..IIRC...

Theres no reason other then money and spectacle that weigh ins are on Friday morning instead of Saturday..

It wasnt till the sometime in the 1980s that boxing started doing day before weigh ins all the time... before that it was different per area sometimes multiple days in advance but for the most part it was usually day of the fight... because it the fairest way to do it...if you have weight classes they should be enforced not manipulated... Ali vs Frazier was multiple days before .. like the Wednesday before they fought on a Monday in the Philippines but that was HW..

Sugar ray leonard vs Marvin Hagler ( at MW) was same day weigh ins, i just confirmed and found that out today...that was 1986 so somewhere around then it began to change it wasnt always day before ...and it wasnt that long ago either...

 

[SkinnyClaw]

These are professional athlete's ...theres no he got fat... If u want to fight at certain weight u manage for that... Weight can be managed and athletes understand this principle very well already...

Clearly not, you literally have champions ballooning up by 20+ lbs when not in camp. They get fat and gain water weight in between fights, and with no weight cutting there would basically be no short notice fights or short notice replacements. You're talking about a fantasy, like you think a man can just stay the exact same weight all year around. It's easy for some, but nearly impossible for others

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Clearly not, you literally have champions ballooning up by 20+ lbs when not in camp. They get fat and gain water weight in between fights, and with no weight cutting there would basically be no short notice fights or short notice replacements. You're talking about a fantasy, like you think a man can just stay the exact same weight all year around. It's easy for some, but nearly impossible for others

Considering ive competed several times in BJJ ..i know its possible to stay in my proper weight class all year round or close to it..its all about which one you choose..theres lots of options for guys

Last minute replacements shouldn't really be a thing but if ur weights on point u can easily take them though another reason to stay in shape...

Have you not thought that maybe guys get fat/gain water weight between fights because they know they'll have 24 hour to lose said water weight and fat between camp and fight day? .. if fighters knew they had to weigh in the same day as the fight/tournament they do 1 of two things.. pick a weight class that requires no preparation ( their actual weight) or one that is very close to it ( within a few pounds ) so that at the end of camp they will be ready.


Take myself for example ..im currently heavier then id like to be at around 187lbs ... Knowing this I could fight at 185lbs ... Tomorrow... But if i was going to book a fight based on my current weight and had to weigh in same day .. I would fight at 170lbs and get my weight to 170lbs come fight day through proper dieting and training in camp
... That not impossible ... that's not too hard...and thats fair .

Under the current set up..im apparently fighting at 155lbs... which means id have to do a full camp on a depleting diet and then still have to cut like 20 pounds of water....just to lie and say im 155lbs and fight people who are closer to my actual weight of 175-180 pounds (end of camp weight)and i still might be smaller then my opponent after all this... Why would anyone want to do this?

When there's obviously an existing fairer , safer and smarter ways to do it...

 

[Poatan Power]

Or ...with same day weigh ins nobody would be cutting that much .. with this simple change the entire fight game changes and becomes safer and more competitive

Nah. Some people don't cut as much. Some people do. Some people look like shit. Some people don't. It's literally the exact same thing except less time for recovery so more propensity for something go wrong. You're "solving a problem" by introducing a more complex, more disastrous problem with less time to solve.

Olympic wrestling, Judo, BJJ, Karate ETC all do same day weigh ins ... Nobody is cutting 20lbs and competing the same day ...


Ive never cut more then 8 lbs for a BJJ competitions and that was because i signed up like a week before to take over a training partners spot who had to pull out...

People are only cutting that much cuz there given 24 hours to do so with the stupid day before weigh ins..

So you're not okay with a 20 lb cut but you're okay with a 7 lb cut. What? What are you even defining as a cut? Water weight same day? Camp weight vs weigh in day? Like what exactly are you opposed to?

Who cares if u make weight friday if ur fighting Saturday night... Why not weigh in the Saturday before and fight a week later... Theres no point to weight classes if your not the weight thats listed on the division..

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That's a great idea, way more time to recover. I like that idea. That's actually a viable solution.

There is a point of weight classes. It is never / was never so that you weigh that weight. Nobody walks around at exactly 155 lbs. The point is to have an agreed weight that you must weigh in as the day before the fight. It's agreed upon. Everyone agrees to it. Everyone is aware of it. Everyone does it and treats it the same. For some reason you are opposed to it. It seems like a neurodivergent obsession, tbh.

Why is this such a hard concept for people to follow there are probably hundreds if not thousands of tournaments happening right now who use the same day weigh in..

Yeah, and everyone cuts weight to some degree. Whatever the rule set is, you maximize your weight advantage within the confines of those rules. Same day weigh in means I cut less. I've cut 5-11 lbs depending on the tournament for same day weigh ins and I have never been the biggest guy in my weight bracket, not even close.

Furthermore, when careers and money is on the line and not a $5 plastic medal, people tend to do more competitive things.

All you're bitching about is a number. You'd rather someone cut 10 instead of 20 and have less time to recover from the weigh in because you're driven crazy by the incongruency between cage weight and scale weight. The issue is really with you man no one else.

All im getting is that people are happy they can game the system and their opponents by essentially lying about what division they can fight in .. which again defeats the purpose of having weight divisions...

You surely can't be this dense. Nobody is gaming the system or their opponent. You understand that both fighters are cutting weight in ALL OF THESE FIGHTS right? Nobody is coming in with a 20 lb weight advantage because they cut weight and the other guy didn't. Go ahead and name me some fighters that don't cut weight. I'll hang around.

 

[ThePimblettEra]

Weird to specifically pick on this dude for being a weight bully.

We have (supposed) "GOAT contenders" who damn near killed themselves to make weight (and missed weight multiple times), I take it you have the same issue with those, TS?

It's part of the sport and has been forever, its weird to single someone out.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Nah. Some people don't cut as much. Some people do. Some people look like shit. Some people don't. It's literally the exact same thing except less time for recovery so more propensity for something go wrong. You're "solving a problem" by introducing a more complex, more disastrous problem with less time to solve.



So you're not okay with a 20 lb cut but you're okay with a 7 lb cut. What? What are you even defining as a cut? Water weight same day? Camp weight vs weigh in day? Like what exactly are you opposed to?

That's a great idea, way more time to recover. I like that idea. That's actually a viable solution.

There is a point of weight classes. It is never / was never so that you weigh that weight. Nobody walks around at exactly 155 lbs. The point is to have an agreed weight that you must weigh in as the day before the fight. It's agreed upon. Everyone agrees to it. Everyone is aware of it. Everyone does it and treats it the same. For some reason you are opposed to it. It seems like a neurodivergent obsession, tbh.



Yeah, and everyone cuts weight to some degree. Whatever the rule set is, you maximize your weight advantage within the confines of those rules. Same day weigh in means I cut less. I've cut 5-11 lbs depending on the tournament for same day weigh ins and I have never been the biggest guy in my weight bracket, not even close.

Furthermore, when careers and money is on the line and not a $5 plastic medal, people tend to do more competitive things.

All you're bitching about is a number. You'd rather someone cut 10 instead of 20 and have less time to recover from the weigh in because you're driven crazy by the incongruency between cage weight and scale weight. The issue is really with you man no one else.



You surely can't be this dense. Nobody is gaming the system or their opponent. You understand that both fighters are cutting weight in ALL OF THESE FIGHTS right? Nobody is coming in with a 20 lb weight advantage because they cut weight and the other guy didn't. Go ahead and name me some fighters that don't cut weight. I'll hang around.
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What r u rambling on about man... u said all that answered nothing..

Whats the point of weight classes if nobody's actually weighs that when there competing...

Is that not the point of the sport to compete?why is a 159lbs man the champion at 135lbs...that sentence makes no sense...just reading it out loud is a contradiction..

The only reason that can happen is because of the 24 hours given to cut water weight otherwise this dude wouldn't be champion there..

Same day weigh ins make the fights more even this is a known fact that many tournaments/competitions use ...like the Olympics you ever heard of that? Its only been around longer then MMA by decades...im not asking for something thats never been done im just asking for some professionalism.and integrity to be brought back into the sport i love.


Ray Leonard vs Marvin Hagler in 1986 ..not that long ago...was same day weigh in...fight was one the best of all times...talked about and watched millions times a year ... why cuz it was so dam competitive..

Weight cutting is modern invention coming from guys gaming that time window between weigh in and fight night... Nothing more ... Its cheating and its lying about the weight..and it dangerous and unhealthy and somehow know has died but why wait for that..guys have been hospitalized.. hospitalized before the fight even happens...wtf is this shit?

The goal is to be that weight or a few pounds over max by the time u fight...not the larger gaps we see sometimes ...

The only reason that gap exists is so promoters can make more money and have time to change card ...thats it ..again to increase profits and limit refunds...its just greed

Theres no point to having weight classes if people aren't the weight it says... it's like labeling beef pork ..cuz dont have anymore pork to sell...me u and everybody knows thats beef ..not pork...aka everyone knows Islam/O'malley,/jalin turner isnt a LW/BW but the promotion trying to sell us pork ( day prior weigh in say LW/BW) ...its bullshit and dangerous

 

[HavokHarmon]

Lmao where is he supposed to go to fight “guys his own size” if everyone cuts weight?

 

[TRUS8888]

He got the title by beating an even bigger weight-cutter in Aljo.

The 155'er he mentions fighting (Gaethje etc) are also cutting weight and are not naturally 155.

If you don't miss weight I don't see the problem.

 

[Paolo Delutis]

Lmao where is he supposed to go to fight “guys his own size” if everyone cuts weight?

My exact point...the systemic problem of weight cutting that needs to be handled...

It makes absolutely no sense that a 159lbs person is the champion at 135lbs...the sentence as i write it makes no sense lol ..

The point of my thread is too point out how ridiculous this has gotten ... Read the full O.P

 

[Koro_11]

He makes the weight, and everyone cuts weight.

Perhaps weight is not the only thing that matters, maybe some different criteria could be considered.

 

[Dionysian]

Weight cutting is lame because it is performance cutting. Whatever my power, cardio, aggression etc is at my in-shape weight is, it is less at my in-shape weight - 10 pounds, and even less at my in-shape weight minus 20 pounds.

Who gives a shit what the scale says. Sure, make a 160 pound class for Cejudo and Sean to fight at with more power while Islam and Justin fight at 180. Both fights would be better.

The only problem is just how you ensure people fight naturally when everyone doesn't precisely because everyone has a vested interest in maximizing their chances to win/not lose. OneFC sounded like a good idea but I have no idea because I don't know enough technically about the topic.

 

[DapperDave]

The individuals are not the problem.

The paradigm is the problem.

I'm smart. I weigh 195.
Everyone at UFC cuts weight.
If I fight at 185, I'll be fighting guys who outweigh me by 30 lbs, so I'll cut too.
Because I don't want a huge competitive disadvantage before the bell rings.

This is on the promotions.

Everyone says there is no smart way to fix the problem, but every one of those arguments is weak and invalid.

The problem is easy to fix: ringside weigh-in and zero purse if you miss, all your purse goes to opponent, fight is scratched, miss twice and you get cut.
It's not like all fighters are stupid.
They will get on board.
The weight-bullies will get knocked out or gas.

Unencumbered economics is always the best solution.
The personal individual economics of this specific situation is the fighter decision: what weight will I fight at? If I cut too much, I will lose more than I win, and I will damage my brain by getting punched in a dehydrated brain.

 

[DapperDave]

Besides, we already know how much everyone weighs.

They all weigh 20% more than their current weight class.

Bump everyone accordingly and keep booking.

 

[HavokHarmon]

My exact point...the systemic problem of weight cutting that needs to be handled...

It makes absolutely no sense that a 159lbs person is the champion at 135lbs...the sentence as i write it makes no sense lol ..

The point of my thread is too point out how ridiculous this has gotten ... Read the full O.P

I did and your point is silly because if everyone is doing it then it isn’t a problem of fairness, just semantics. If it bothers you that much then just think of bantamweight as 155 and do that with all the classes.

As long as weight classes exist so will weight cutting.

 

[newms84]

My point exactly...the whole system needs correcting...it doesnt make sense..

Why is a 159 pound man our 135lbs champion...

135lbs means 135lbs bruh... Its IN THE TITLE

My biggest issue with it and what I think makes it twice as dumb is that they all do it. You've been shown in this thread that Merab cuts the same. It begs the question why are two 155 guys cutting 20 lbs to fight each other. My point has always been guys would be fighting the same guys they are now if no one cut weight. There's obviously outliers in guys who cut a ton and the few who don't cut much but for the most part they're all cutting weight to fight mostly the same guys anyway. It's so dumb but weight cutting is defended here with fervor

 

[IDGETKTFO]

Just came to say i am really liking being able to see what is in a thread without clicking into it. Good way to avoid shit topics with vague thread titles. Peace out.

 

[Fedora Millionankles]

Well there you have it ...out the horses mouth



How can these guys say this with a straight face..fully admitting he fights small people cuz he cant hang with guys his own actual size ...

This weight cutting culture has got to go some how .. there must be a solution..

This dude is walking around over the LW limit and is fighting at 135lbs..

Come on man...have some dignity or honor ...

You know the whole PICK ON SOMEONE YOUR OWN SIZE thing. ..

I know..Sherdog be like but but but they all cut weight..or if he makes the weight then its allowed .

Pfft ..do better MMA world... Weight classes should actually mean what they say ... otherwise just remove em...
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Edit: Im seeing alot of people Struggling with the O.P.....im using this as reference to the bigger issue here... No 159lbs person should be the champion at 135lbs that's not what weight divisions mean..my THREAD is about how ridiculous weight cutting has gotten that fighters are doing this almost out of necessity when it could be fixed rather quickly.

If you can make the weight during weigh-ins, then that’s the weight class you can fight in.
If your assertion was true, then Paddy the Fatty would be forced to fight Super Heavyweight.

 

[jx820]

it could be fixed rather quickly

It ain't broke don't fix it