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Theory Yet another punching power thread

DoctorTaco said:
The shoulder muscles are too small to account for knock out power compared to the sum (or individual muscle groups) of the posterior chain. Turning the shoulder over is a technique, not a primary force driver for the punch.
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You don't need to move your weight forward, that's a misconception. You need to create torque, that's all. So either around or forward. The uppercut is an exception when it comes to power, I would say that's a primary hip twist movement. Not an expert on that punch though.
 
Monte Moku said:
IMO you can train someone to have a lot of power in their punches, but it's a certain type of power. Closer to the type of power fighters like Julian Jackson, Gervonta Davis, Canelo, etc. have -- they have to put exert a good deal of energy and explode into it. Power that guys like Beterviev or Earnie Shavers have though, that's innate and can't be trained
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I don't believe you could. For the same reason you can't train someone to be a great sprinter.
 
DoctorTaco said:
The shoulder muscles are too small to account for knock out power compared to the sum (or individual muscle groups) of the posterior chain.
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It's the shoulder snap that increases acceleration on your fist which is the necessary variable for power escalation, and avoids the punch from being e push. I suppose back strength also in genererating momentum of it all. The strong support is important and strong support can only come from strength. And people are born with various levels of starting strength. Strength produces momentum. Without strength the hole prepatory motion is meaningless.
 
Monte Moku said:
I'd probably think that too if I had no training or fight experience
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I have gone to school and done sports. Sprinting is a perfect example since its all else equal. Same age. Same gender, same nation, same social background. Nobody goes to sprinting school... Yet some people run like sonic and others are slow.

That's genes.
 
Intermission said:
It's the shoulder snap that increases acceleration on your fist which is the necessary variable for power escalation, and avoids the punch from being e push.
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Putting a little extra shoulder into a punch has nothing to do with it being pushed or not. Pushing a punch from from a slow retraction of the punch itself. If you rip a punch back to guard as fast or faster than it came forward then it will by nature of the movement be snappier than if it was slow on the return.

Intermission said:
You don't need to move your weight forward, that's a misconception.
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This is wrong. Weight transfer to the lead leg and shifting your hips towards your target is key to solid, powerful, rear hand punches.

I have caught literally millions of punches on focus mitts over the last 15 years and made a career out of teaching/showing adjustments to get people to hit harder. I have the advantage of catching a punch, making an adjustment and then catching it again to gauge/feel the change in power.

I suspect you’re speaking from theory over experience. If you are who we all believe you are then it’s safe to say no one here is going to change your mind despite the facts, science, and real world experience they bring to the table.
 
DoctorTaco said:
Putting a little extra shoulder into a punch has nothing to do with it being pushed or not. Pushing a punch from from a slow retraction of the punch itself. If you rip a punch back to guard as fast or faster than it came forward then it will by nature of the movement be snappier than if it was slow on the return.


This is wrong. Weight transfer to the lead leg and shifting your hips towards your target is key to solid, powerful, rear hand punches.

I have caught literally millions of punches on focus mitts over the last 15 years and made a career out of teaching/showing adjustments to get people to hit harder. I have the advantage of catching a punch, making an adjustment and then catching it again to gauge/feel the change in power.

I suspect you’re speaking from theory over experience. If you are who we all believe you are then it’s safe to say no one here is going to change your mind despite the facts, science, and real world experience they bring to the table.
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Technically speaking, you don't add weight to your arms by weight transfer. You increase support and leverage. At the end of the day, arms is what hits the opponent. Which ever way you can make your arms travel faster and with more support, the harder you will punch. It's not rocket science.
 
Intermission said:
I have gone to school and done sports. Sprinting is a perfect example since its all else equal. Same age. Same gender, same nation, same social background. Nobody goes to sprinting school... Yet some people run like sonic and others are slow.

That's genes.
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You should re-read your words here. Turn them over in your brain, process them. Think about it really hard. Ask yourself "why is no one agreeing with me?" or "why am I not being taken seriously?"

Have a great day.
 
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Monte Moku said:
You should re-read your words here. Turn them over in your brain, process them. Think about it really hard. Ask yourself "why is no one agreeing with me?" or "why am I not being taken seriously?"
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DoctorTaco said:
Putting a little extra shoulder into a punch has nothing to do with it being pushed or not. Pushing a punch from from a slow retraction of the punch itself. If you rip a punch back to guard as fast or faster than it came forward then it will by nature of the movement be snappier than if it was slow on the return.


This is wrong. Weight transfer to the lead leg and shifting your hips towards your target is key to solid, powerful, rear hand punches.

I have caught literally millions of punches on focus mitts over the last 15 years and made a career out of teaching/showing adjustments to get people to hit harder. I have the advantage of catching a punch, making an adjustment and then catching it again to gauge/feel the change in power.

I suspect you’re speaking from theory over experience. If you are who we all believe you are then it’s safe to say no one here is going to change your mind despite the facts, science, and real world experience they bring to the table.
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You've been holding mitts, I can do it. And I know the key lies in the shoulders. It"s a trick. Because of this trick, the relative limitations of the muscles of the shoulders don't matter. It's akin to how a wrestler can lock down a powerlifter with his hip, even though every single muscle group on the powerlifter is superior.

It's still however not just reduced down to technique , since kinetic energy is factored in by how much you can drive through.
 
Intermission said:
You've been holding mitts, I can do it. And I know the key lies in the shoulders. It"s a trick. Because of this fact, the relative limitations of the muscles of the shoulders don't matter. It's akin to how a wrestler can lock down a powerlifter with his hip, even though every single muscle group on the powerlifter is superior.

It's still however not just reduced down to technique , since kinetic energy is factored in by how much you can drive through.
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Ok. Grab some mitts and then spend years training to be a fighter and coach under a world champion. Then find another and repeat. Then travel the country learning from the best minds in the coaching game. In fact, Spend 20 years of your life training, learning, coaching, fighting, cornering, and learning. Help train world champions. Along the way hold for thousands and thousands of rounds for people of all different ages, body types, fitness levels, and backgrounds. Catch those millions of punches I referred to earlier.

Then come tell me I’m wrong and I’ll happily engage with you.

I’m not saying it’s all technique. Never have said that. I’m saying your wrong about not needing to transfer weight, you’re wrong about high level wrestlers punching harder, you’re wrong about the shoulder pop at the end stops someone from pushing a punch, you’re wrong about having a sprinting coach wouldn’t help you be a faster sprinter, and you’re wrong about your ability to knock someone out with your back to the wall if you struck them with your shoulder.
 
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DoctorTaco said:
Ok. Grab some mitts and then spend years training to be a fighter and coach under a world champion. Then find another and repeat. Then travel the country learning from the best minds in the coaching game. In fact, Spend 20 years of your life training, learning, coaching, fighting, cornering, and learning. Help train world champions. Along the way hold for thousands and thousands of rounds for people of all different ages, body types, fitness levels, and backgrounds. Catch those millions of punches I referred to earlier.

Then come tell me I’m wrong and I’ll happily engage with you.
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Or I can just show you. I can do it. I feel which are the primary muscle groups.



I also have these shoulder untrained (when the photo was taken... Coincidence? I think not ..
 

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