Yan vs. O' Malley - A Balanced Take

krelianx said:
I also thought Yan won. I always claimed it was close to call and my entire argument was that it was a difficult, competitive fight, and picked O'Malley tentatively.

You didn't just claim Yan would win, which would have been, as I said from the beginning, the most reasonable take, though I picked Sean.You claimed Yan was going to blow him out of the water and that Sean was incapable of competing against top competition.

Regardless of who we think won the fight (Yan) you were claiming to even think this was a competitive, difficult fight to call was unreasonable. And here we are. Fight that went to a split decision, but which was undoubtedly very competitive and close. And that was my take.

Yes, you were wrong.
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Yan won but he deserved to lose by not stopping him when you know corruption judges are going to screw you.

Omally has been a ultimate can crusher. He stepped up and won big. UFC are going to run with this. If he legit won, he deserves a title shot. He never attempted to call out a title shot post fight because he knew he lost.

Regardless, the can crusher stepped up and is no longer a can crusher.
 
krelianx said:
Holaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! <Moves><Waaah>
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Yeah it wasn't quite the result I expected but that happens sometimes. Yan still won all 3 rounds. Is normal. Props to Omally though for giving a good showing of himself.
 
maximus__ said:
I was wrong. O'malley did well, but lost the fight clearly. Instead of getting a good showing from O'malley against a top guy, we got one of the biggest robberies in modern MMA. Yan landed more shots, the bigger shots and a slam takedown with 1 min of control time and somehow still lost the 1st round of the fight.
The argument is there that Yan also won the third with the UFC stats being way off with all bar 6 of O'malleys strikes being deemed as a sig strike when they clearly weren't.
We all watched the fight and O'malley did not land 96% of his total strikes as significant strikes in that fight. It's impossible statistically.

It's active corruption.
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All I'm reading are excuses. Sean won a close fight, It's not even close to a robbery.
 
Bradillac said:
All I'm reading are excuses. Sean won a close fight, It's not even close to a robbery.
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These people were saying it was unreasonable to think this would be a competitive fight and difficult to call.

Regardless who one thought won, O'Malley proved he was able to compete at that level. I thought Yan won, but it was very competitive.
 
krelianx said:
I also thought Yan won. I always claimed it was close to call and my entire argument was that it was a difficult, competitive fight, and picked O'Malley tentatively.

You didn't just claim Yan would win, which would have been, as I said from the beginning, the most reasonable take, though I picked Sean.You claimed Yan was going to blow him out of the water and that Sean was incapable of competing against top competition.

Regardless of who we think won the fight (Yan) you were claiming to even think this was a competitive, difficult fight to call was unreasonable. And here we are. Fight that went to a split decision, but which was undoubtedly very competitive and close. And that was my take.

Yes, you were wrong.
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O’Malley did well but he still only won a single round and even that round is an argument for him losing. He had his moments but it’s still a clear cut decision if scored correctly for Yan 29-38.I genuinely thought he would get destroyed and finished, all available evidence showed that.

Now instead of O’Malley showing he can hang in the higher ranks,his only ranked victory is a controversial win. It makes MMA look stupid when you actually look at the scoring criteria and see that there is no justification to score it for O’Malley. Add to that the UFC stats with O’Malley apparently landing only sig strikes the entire first round and being credited as landing 85 sig strikes with only 91 strikes thrown to further the narrative he won the fight.

Congrats on the round 3 to O’Malley, he did well. He sure as hell didn’t win the fight or land 85/91 strikes thrown as sig strikes. He needed a finish in round 3 and rose to the occasion, but now that great performance is tarnished.
 
Bradillac said:
All I'm reading are excuses. Sean won a close fight, It's not even close to a robbery.
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He can't possibly win the first round. It's not possible under the scoring criteria. You can credit every single shot you want as significant and discredit all of Yan's that had a bigger impact, but Yan still won that first round.
He took the second which leads to a 29-28 win. You have to completely ignore the actual scoring criteria to give him that round.
 
maximus__ said:
O’Malley did well but he still only won a single round and even that round is an argument for him losing. He had his moments but it’s still a clear cut decision if scored correctly for Yan 29-38.I genuinely thought he would get destroyed and finished, all available evidence showed that.

Now instead of O’Malley showing he can hang in the higher ranks,his only ranked victory is a controversial win. It makes MMA look stupid when you actually look at the scoring criteria and see that there is no justification to score it for O’Malley. Add to that the UFC stats with O’Malley apparently landing only sig strikes the entire first round and being credited as landing 85 sig strikes with only 91 strikes thrown to further the narrative he won the fight.

Congrats on the round 3 to O’Malley, he did well. He sure as hell didn’t win the fight or land 85/91 strikes thrown as sig strikes. He needed a finish in round 3 and rose to the occasion, but now that great performance is tarnished.
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I know you legitimately thought he would get destroyed and that you think "all available evidence showed that."

You were wrong to think both things. I mentioned several reasons in my opening post: Sean has very good jitz, and he defended well controlling Yan from the back, getting to his feet without taking damage, and also had offensive attempts. I mentioned his range and timing were very good and his stance switches and speed were also assets. He landed considerable shots, had Yan cut and tagged firmly at different points, won the last round, and made it a very competitive fight. I also mentioned Yan's strengths and said he was the rational pick, even if I tentatively picked O'Malley.

I think the decision was a bad one, and that the first round was Yan's, even if it was close.

But that's not what is under discussion. What is under discussion is that you acted arrogantly and dismissively to the suggestion that this was a close and competitive match up, and claimed that O'Malley had no business in there with Yan.

And again, you were wrong.
 
krelianx said:
I know you legitimately thought he would get destroyed and that "all available evidence showed that."

You were wrong. I mentioned several reasons: Sean has vert good jitz, defended well controlling Yan from the back, getting to his feet without taking damage, snd also had offensive attempts. I mentioned his range and timing were very good and his stance switches snd speed were also assets. He landed considerable shots, had Yan cut and tagged firmly at different points, and made it a very competitive fight. I also mentioned Yan's strengths and said he was the rational pick, even if I tentatively picked O'Malley

I think the decision was a bad one, and that the first round was Yan's, even if it was close.

But that's not what is under discussion. What is under discussion is that you acted arrogantly and dismissively to the suggestion that this was a close and competitive fight, and claimed that O'Malley had no business in there with Yan.

And again, you were wrong.
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I have already said I was wrong and O'malley did well, but he got soundly beaten in that fight. He had more success than I thought he would, but he clearly lost the majority of that fight. He didn't get finished, but O'malley doesn't automatically win the fight because he didn't get finished.

He had two big moments each lasting 30-60 seconds. The second when he rocked Yan before getting brutally countered and nearly finished and the 3rd where he cut Yan.
Everything you are saying he did well does not score in MMA and is irrelevant besides him landing considerable shots(damage and Impact), which Yan landed the bigger shots and had bigger moments to potentially end the fight in the first two rounds.

The only thing up for discussion is that Yan won that fight. Yes O'malley did well and didn't get finished, but it was still a losing performance. Did it show he can have success against ranked guys? Sure, but it should have been another loss with him going back to that 10-15 area to work back again and actually come back improved from this.
 
The Last King said:
Yeah it wasn't quite the result I expected but that happens sometimes. Yan still won all 3 rounds. Is normal. Props to Omally though for giving a good showing of himself.
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Why you didn't you bump the thread as you said you would? Oh, right...
 
Guy LeDouche said:
It’s easy to let the dislike for O’Malley cloud any judgment for any of his fights. The kid is very easy to hate.
however let’s be real here. O’Malleys best win is Raulian Paiva. The only two fights he’s had against legit competition he failed miserably.

Yan is the former champion and has ran through most of his comp except the current BW champ.
Their resumes speak for itself.
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So true, just by looking at their records, not their skillsets or the matchup, I should be able to determine that Sean will not be competitive. We have to be real.
 
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