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Which of these "egret facts" are actually true? (answers will be revealed in August)

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Choose your personal truths about egrets


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If you took every spatula in North America and laid them end-to-end starting in Seattle, they wouldn't reach far enough to qualify as interesting trivia.
 
tfw you know people are writing long replies in the previous thread and are about to lose them when they 'post reply'
 
@Jack V Savage
Jack V Savage said:
Yeah, by your definition, everyone is corrupt, and thus the definition has no use in an argument. If you want to try to argue that Clinton is actually corrupt, please do.
Oh really? By that definition, is a person who isn't in power corrupt? Like a child who goes to grade school?
 

About damn time.

That's fair. I was trying to get him to move on to his argument that she's corrupt, but he's so obsessed with his past humiliation/victory (I really don't know if he's obsessed because he's embarrassed or because he genuinely thinks he made a good point and "won") that he can't do it.

Jack ran away from multiple threads instead of debating me because he ended up in an indefensible position so quickly. He came back here to try to claim that wasn't the case, so I brought up the last post from one of those threads (from me, to which he never replied) and asked him to continue the discussion.

The key point was that I said Hillary Clinton was corrupt, he challenged me to show it, and I showed him a definition of corruption that he didn't expect (which is the one that google provided, which says dishonesty by people in power) and which makes it very very easy for me to establish it. His last attempt was to try to invalidate that definition by saying that it meant "everyone was corrupt" so it was meaningless.

But it only applies to people in power. So it's not meaningless. It's people in power not telling the truth about their actions or intentions, which makes them unfit to hold power.

I've repeatedly asked him to acknowledge that the definition is not that broad and does have meaning and he is ducking it and trying to use insults, posturing himself as important, and distractions because he's in an indefensible position. The definition does have meaning and it makes it easy for me to establish.

No trolling, no flaming necessary. He's just stuck.

So does this come down to how accurate it is to apply "Hillary is corrupt" as a statement? I think the statement itself is too broad. Wai mentioned this earlier. What specific thing do you think makes Hillary corrupt that distinguishes her from the average politician or the average person? There isn't much meat to this whole discussion if that piece isn't going to be expanded on.

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The reason for the coloring is sometimes I think people should keep their post lean as possible when they find the other making a big deal about the superficial part. No matter how much you think the other is the one at fault, they will eventually look foolish if you are direct about the central point (blue) and nothing else. If you add in this other stuff, it can be a continuous circle of arguing each others recollections and calling each other out instead of the argument itself (red).
 
@Jack V Savage

Oh really? By that definition, is a person who isn't in power corrupt? Like a child who goes to grade school?

Answered earlier. This is a stupid diversion from the discussion about whether Clinton is corrupt. Surely you know that you're not fooling anyone, don't you?
 
So does this come down to how accurate it is to apply "Hillary is corrupt" as a statement? I think the statement itself is too broad. Wai mentioned this earlier. What specific thing do you think makes Hillary corrupt that distinguishes her from the average politician or the average person? There isn't much meat to this whole discussion if that piece isn't going to be expanded on.

Yeah, that's the point that we're really discussing, but he's so bad at arguing that he still hasn't even gotten to the starting line, and I'm not confident that he'll ever find it.
 
Answered earlier. This is a stupid diversion from the discussion about whether Clinton is corrupt. Surely you know that you're not fooling anyone, don't you?
No, you did NOT answer. You said "everyone is corrupt" by that definition. And I'm asking you right now, does that mean a person who isn't in power can be corrupt?

You're stuck and you know it.
 
Answered earlier. This is a stupid diversion from the discussion about whether Clinton is corrupt. Surely you know that you're not fooling anyone, don't you?
I suspect his self awareness is even lower than we give him credit for. And, since we don't give him any credit at all, he's gotta be in rancid full-of-diapers-and-tubes-of-spoiled-hamburger-in-August dumpster fire territory.
 
Yeah, that's the point that we're really discussing, but he's so bad at arguing that he still hasn't even gotten to the starting line, and I'm not confident that he'll ever find it.
No, you're stuck and your failure-mode is to try to talk around it to other people and posture yourself, because I've done this to you many times. You will not be ducking the question or trying to talk past it. You didn't know that was a valid definition and you ended up in a bad position, which is why you ran away to begin with, and you tried to act like you didn't and you just got dragged back into the same spot.

Why don't you just admit that I can establish she's corrupt by that definition?

(Note: I've been saying "corrupt" but using the definition of "corruption," so I should have been saying the second word since that's what I mean and "corruption" was the original word in question, Jack could have actually pointed this out and used the definition of corrupt instead, but he's not even following the point that well so I noticed a nitpicky flaw in my own argument and he didn't)
 
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Here Jack, let me help you out, I actually said "corrupt" instead of "corruption," so you can try to distract from the point and nitpick it by then using the definition of corrupt instead of corruption. It's another dishonest argument, but at least it would look like you found something clever.
 
He's lost his mind, and we're reaping all the benefit
 
@EGarrett

This is all revolving around definition. Have you tied a specific event Clinton has done to tie it to your definition? I think this would get the ball rolling and possibly in time fix the disagreement on the way each of you are defining the term.
 
Which one of are posters are from Ireland? I need to find something out about their country.
 
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