wrestling=cardio killer

[armtriangle]

I just spit my drink out onto the table. This is the most inaccurate statement I have ever read on Sherdog possibly. It takes years to get good at wrestling, just b/c the HS season is only 3 months doesn't mean shit. Most wrestlers wrestle year round. The guys that just wrestle during the season usually suck or are average at best. Any good wrestler either wrestles in a club during the offeaseason, plus seminars/camps. Your comparison is way off man. Crazy.

Try reading the rest of the thread...

Also, a guy who is "average" (your words) is what most people consider "a wrestler."

Guy didn't ask how to become world champion at wrestling... he asked how long until he develops a wrestler's base, etc.

Most wrestlers definitely do not wrestle year round. I would say 20% MAX of HS wrestlers wrestle year round (I was a wrestler AND a HS wrestling coach before changing career paths). Maybe most champion HS wrestlers do extra work, but even then, not even close to all of them. College wrestlers are just like any other college athletes, it is close to year round training for almost all of them... but again, TS didn't ask how to become Dan Gable... just about how long he can expect to train before he develops a wrestler's base (what I interpreted to mean, how long until he would be described as an outside observer as "a wrestler")... with that, I stand by my assertion... at 3x per week, probably about 18 months.

 

[fourfif**]

I just spit my drink out onto the table. This is the most inaccurate statement I have ever read on Sherdog possibly. It takes years to get good at wrestling, just b/c the HS season is only 3 months doesn't mean shit. Most wrestlers wrestle year round. The guys that just wrestle during the season usually suck or are average at best. Any good wrestler either wrestles in a club during the offeaseason, plus seminars/camps. Your comparison is way off man. Crazy.

no doubt.

 

[brandon0627]

I just spit my drink out onto the table. This is the most inaccurate statement I have ever read on Sherdog possibly. It takes years to get good at wrestling, just b/c the HS season is only 3 months doesn't mean shit. Most wrestlers wrestle year round. The guys that just wrestle during the season usually suck or are average at best. Any good wrestler either wrestles in a club during the offeaseason, plus seminars/camps. Your comparison is way off man. Crazy.

True, true, and true. I wrestled as a kid, junior high, and high school and I did well in high school all that means is that I was a "good" high school wrestler. A lot of my training partners wrestled JUCO, DIV 3, DIV 2, and one guy DIV 1 and I don't try to trade takedowns with any of these guys. I'll freely admit that I'm just an "OK" wrestler. Am I worried about most BJJ guys at my skill level taking me down? No. But, will I try to "wrestle" with any of my training partners that wrestled in college when we're sparring? No. I'll pull open guard and work my game. My point being, there are many levels of what is considered "good" wrestling. Think of this way, just because you win a local NAGA or COPA tourney does that mean you would be considered a "good" BJJ guy at the Pan Ams or Mundials? Probably not. Let's stay in touch with reality!:icon_lol:

 

[fourfif**]

Most wrestlers definitely do not wrestle year round. I would say 20% MAX of HS wrestlers wrestle year round (I was a wrestler AND a HS wrestling coach before changing career paths).

Depending on the school. When I was wrestling in HS it was more like 90% of the varsity line up was doing fs/greco. When I was coaching, it was more like 75%.

What you get a after two years of only season long wrestling is a competent jv level wrestler, which really isn't much.

 

[armtriangle]

Depending on the school. When I was wrestling in HS it was more like 90% of the varsity line up was doing fs/greco. When I was coaching, it was more like 75%.

What you get a after two years of only season long wrestling is a competent jv level wrestler, which really isn't much.

It definitely does depend on the school... like I mentioned, I was at a "good" wrestling HS, and wrestled a couple years DII (but was a scrub in college). The majority of my HS teammates were also football or soccer players though, and many were 3 sport players as well... so year round wrestling was not an option. I had a buddy that wrestled at Walsh Jesuit, and they were more dedicated to wrestling only, but still had a lot of football players on the squad.

Most guys either quit or make the varsity by the time they are juniors in HS, IME. I have seen several guys START wrestling as juniors and end up being pretty good by the time they graduate HS (usually at higher weights). Again, I guess it depends on what you think makes someone "decent" or "a wrestler"....

I took the question to mean, "when will it be automatic that I will be able to out wrestle non-wrestlers?" I didn't take it to mean, "what does it take to be a champion?"

 

[johng333]

Definition of good varies until you set a standard. A "good" HS wrestler won 75%+ of his matches and was a threat in the state tournament. If you didn't you weren't good, you ranged for poor - fair at best. A great HS wrestler won 85% -90% and placed top 8 in the state. Elite wrestlers won multiple regional / state titles as well as AAU, USAA, and other sanctioned off season major tournaments. One of the reason you have those tournaments is to gauge skill level or else everyone would walk around saying how good the were because the started varsity in HS.

Next you have to pick the area. I wrestled in NJ and was at just breaking into "good". I wrestled a 4 time state champ from Alaska in the off season and no problem beating him. NJ is one of the most densely populated states in the US so competition is fierce. Some areas are significantly more competitive than others.

Being "good" in college meant qualifying for Nationals or at least placing in Regionals again with a 75% plus win record. But "good" in college is so far superior to "good" in HS that the two can't be compared. Every match in college was against a former State Champ or top 4 HS wrestler and most schools were 3 deep at each weight class.

Again the difference between being "good" as Junior College vs "good" at a Div I school varies greatly. Also remember that being All American means you place top 10 in Nationals, but just qualifying was a major feat.

If you were "good" by this definition you are good and you wrestled 12 months out of the year. You might be a two sport athlete, but you went to off-season tournaments in the summer, went to camp, went to clinics, belong to a wrestling club, and worked out for wrestling even if you were on the baseball team or golf team. 20 - 30 matches off season was the minimum, and that was in sanctioned tournaments, not counting club or clinic matches.

I don't even think you say you were "good" if you use Dan Gable a reference over Cael Sanderson. How can you cite an example of the elite with out mentioning the only undefeated 4x NCAAA champ and Olympic Gold medal winner? He did it in 2004 when wrestling was 10x more popular then when Dan did in 1966. Every "good" wrestler born in the last 40 years cites Cael as the gold standard in wrestling. Anyway.......


Bottom line if you think being "fair" at a HS level prepares you to be competitive in MMA you are sadly mistaken. No, you can't be "good" at wrestling in 1 year practicing 3 times a weak. You can learn the fundamentals, you might get "fair" at sprawling or shooting a single leg, but all you have to do is enter any Open Division wrestling tournament, even a local one, get embarrassed in two straight matches by a HS kids (if your lucky to be in a round robin tournament and not a single elimination) to learn the hard truth about what it means to be "good" at wrestling.

 

[knoxpk]

I don't think it takes very long to get proficent in wrestling. HS wrestling season is only about 3 months long. The majority of your HS wrestlers hit the "good" mark by time they are juniors. That is like 6 months of training... about a 1 year or a year and half of equivalent bjj time for most of us 2-3x per week guys.

I would say it takes about the same amount of time as bjj, progress wise.

Yeah, some do. I guess it depends on your definition of "proficient." If you want to be able to consistely beat other decent wrestlers, you have to do more.

I wrestled in Indiana in HS and Illinois in college for a bit (though not very well). At least half of the HS wrestlers were at least 2 sport athletes... I was a 3 sport athlete. So it definitely was not year round for me. I think most HS juniors (at good wrestling HS's) are what other people think of as "good wrestlers"- they move like wrestlers usually, they can ragdoll all of their friends, etc.

But, if you mean "good" as in State champion (although there were 5 State champs on my HS wrestling team and only 2 of them were FS wrestlers or year-rounders) or competitive collegiate wrestlers- yeah, usually more is involved.

But really I was just saying, I think it takes about the same amount of mat time as bjj to make progress. Sometimes it goes faster with wrestlers because you have more proficient sparring partners. In BJJ it is harder to find a group of good bjj players... there are godo wrestlers everywhere.

Depending on the school. When I was wrestling in HS it was more like 90% of the varsity line up was doing fs/greco. When I was coaching, it was more like 75%.

What you get a after two years of only season long wrestling is a competent jv level wrestler, which really isn't much.

I copied these posts because there ARE guys who train JUST during wrestling for a variety of reasons. They like wrestling but are not prepared to do the work off season, some guys wrestle, then play baseball, then play football which means wrestling is indeed just 3 months for them, others do wrestling to improve their football. There are a handful of guys that focus JUST on wrestling and usually these are the guys that become champs and go on to college.

You can certainly become "proficient" if you focus and stay with it. It can be a 12 month sport and should be if you have the goal of being a champion, but there are plenty of "good" wrestlers that just do it part time.

 

[CyberFreq]

I copied these posts because there ARE guys who train JUST during wrestling for a variety of reasons. They like wrestling but are not prepared to do the work off season, some guys wrestle, then play baseball, then play football which means wrestling is indeed just 3 months for them, others do wrestling to improve their football. There are a handful of guys that focus JUST on wrestling and usually these are the guys that become champs and go on to college.

You can certainly become "proficient" if you focus and stay with it. It can be a 12 month sport and should be if you have the goal of being a champion, but there are plenty of "good" wrestlers that just do it part time.

OR you could be like me during HS and not have many offseason opportunities.

 

[armtriangle]

Definition of good varies until you set a standard. A "good" HS wrestler won 75%+ of his matches and was a threat in the state tournament.
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I don't even think you say you were "good" if you use Dan Gable a reference over Cael Sanderson. How can you cite an example of the elite with out mentioning the only undefeated 4x NCAAA champ and Olympic Gold medal winner? He did it in 2004 when wrestling was 10x more popular then when Dan did in 1966. Every "good" wrestler born in the last 40 years cites Cael as the gold standard in wrestling. Anyway.......


Bottom line if you think being "fair" at a HS level prepares you to be competitive in MMA you are sadly mistaken. No, you can't be "good" at wrestling in 1 year practicing 3 times a weak. You can learn the fundamentals, you might get "fair" at sprawling or shooting a single leg, but all you have to do is enter any Open Division wrestling tournament, even a local one, get embarrassed in two straight matches by a HS kids (if your lucky to be in a round robin tournament and not a single elimination) to learn the hard truth about what it means to be "good" at wrestling.

I honestly don't even know what you are saying.

 

[Dirty Deeds]

I don't think it takes very long to get proficent in wrestling. HS wrestling season is only about 3 months long. The majority of your HS wrestlers hit the "good" mark by time they are juniors. That is like 6 months of training... about a 1 year or a year and half of equivalent bjj time for most of us 2-3x per week guys.

I would say it takes about the same amount of time as bjj, progress wise.

You're out of your mind, good wrestlers are going at least 6 months a year. There is the season, those who do not play football generally have "voluntary" open mat from about the time that school starts until wrestling starts.(they are not really voluntary) Then there is the freestyle and greco season in the spring, followed by camps in the summer.

Now to the original question. As others have said, you NEED to wrestle, and keep going when you are tired, it will get easier. Outside of that, sprint jogs. Find a 400m track and jog 300m, then sprint 100m. Start with 4-6 laps and work your way up. The jog needs to be a good pace, not an exaggerated walk.

 

[gtsbjj12**]

thanks for all the advice, everyone. I know it will most likely take years and years of wrestling to become anywhere near proficient at the are, so I'll just keep training and try my hardest. we have wrestling classes 3 days a week, but I also asked my buddy who wrestled in div. 1 college to wrestle with me whenever possible.

 

[skey91***]

I don't even think you say you were "good" if you use Dan Gable a reference over Cael Sanderson. How can you cite an example of the elite with out mentioning the only undefeated 4x NCAAA champ and Olympic Gold medal winner? He did it in 2004 when wrestling was 10x more popular then when Dan did in 1966. Every "good" wrestler born in the last 40 years cites Cael as the gold standard in wrestling. Anyway.......

What the hell are you talking about?

Dan Gable won in 72 not 66. He also dominated the competition, Cael had some battles.

And If we are going to talk about the gold standard it would be John SMith

 

[gjb0429]

Where did u find this wrestling class?

I do BJJ but I also want to learn how to wrestle to be a more complete grappler. Problem is its hard to find a place where I can learn.