Wrestlers with black belts?

ArTofF16hT1ng said:
Care to offer a link other than wikipedia?

He MIGHT have wrestled in high school, and I'm reasonable sure he didn't wrestle in college.
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why do you find that hard to believe? its in his book and hes stated it in numerous interviews. he said he was a crappy wrestler who only did leg rides and that he quit after a while.

his signature move is the wrestling guillotine (aka the twister) which he adapted from his leg riding days

is wikipedia not trustworthy and do you have some sort of preconception of eddie's past?
 
Almost positive Eddie didnt wrestle in College.

But his wrestling, rather his deep ride for single ive seen, looked good.
 
SFCFighter said:
why do you find that hard to believe? its in his book and hes stated it in numerous interviews. he said he was a crappy wrestler who only did leg rides and that he quit after a while.

his signature move is the wrestling guillotine (aka the twister) which he adapted from his leg riding days

is wikipedia not trustworthy and do you have some sort of preconception of eddie's past?
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Well if you read the initial post, it states...

"I wasn't sure if I should post this here for in the Worldwide. Anyway, I was wondering which fighters or grapplers have been NCAA wrestlers and hold BJJ or Judo blackbelts. It counts if they made NCAA, then later in their career earned their blackbelt. The only ones I can think of are Jeff Monson(NCAA Div. 1, BJJ black belt), and Frank Trigg(NCAA Div. 1, black belt in Judo under Patrick Burris). I suppose Josh Barnett counts, although he is a catch wrestler, and earned his BJJ black belt because of it.

Also, bonus points if anybody can tell me somebody who made NCAA wrestling because of a black belt in BJJ or Judo, or because of their grappling credentials not related to wrestling.
 
Slick_36 said:
I honestly don't expect to see one. Wrestling is a lot more specialized than judo or BJJ and most high level guys spend 15-20 years by the time they wrestle D1. After college there isn't much for wrestling but there are a ton of grappling schools for them to transition to afterwards. Not saying that it's better by the way.
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Really? you think that college wrestling in ONE country is more specialized than an olympic sport? You could had a point with freestyle wrestling, which would still be debatable.

Old tactical sports with thousands of practitioners will always have huge tiered level of competition.
 
Shoyoroll just posted a status on fb asking what the best training combination was. Bjj&judo, bjj&wrestling, bjj&yoga, whatever etc. Made me think, what if your coach held black belts in both, and was a college wrestler? You wouldn't need to decide what to crosstrain.. Do any said coaches exist? Considering the amount of time and physical demand required, do you think it's even possible? Obviously, it is probably possible, but I think you know what I'm saying.
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ArTofF16hT1ng said:
Well if you read the initial post, it states...

"I wasn't sure if I should post this here for in the Worldwide. Anyway, I was wondering which fighters or grapplers have been NCAA wrestlers and hold BJJ or Judo blackbelts. It counts if they made NCAA, then later in their career earned their blackbelt. The only ones I can think of are Jeff Monson(NCAA Div. 1, BJJ black belt), and Frank Trigg(NCAA Div. 1, black belt in Judo under Patrick Burris). I suppose Josh Barnett counts, although he is a catch wrestler, and earned his BJJ black belt because of it.

Also, bonus points if anybody can tell me somebody who made NCAA wrestling because of a black belt in BJJ or Judo, or because of their grappling credentials not related to wrestling.
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yes but you seemed skeptical that he even wrestled high school

if you know anything about eddie or about folkstyle wrestling, it seems pretty clear he has some wrestling experience

did you wrestle high school or college?

NCAA isnt the end all be all of wrestling. most folks think only NCAA div 1 counts but because of the nature of the sport, div 2 and 3 have tons of great wrestlers, also non-NCAA conferences like the NAIA have great wrestlers, not to mention limiting it to the NCAA limits things to Americans primarily.

Mark Schultlz is an olympic gold medalist, world champion, 3x ncaa div 1 champion, and a pedro sauer black belt

as for your second bonus question, Ricky Lundell is the only guy i have heard of making it to "NCAA" with a black belt in BJJ, but I personally know quite a few people who started wrestling at a junior college with only a BJJ or Judo background. BJ Penn and Darren Uyenoyama did so. BJ wrestled at west valley college after winning the mundials.

more people go from wrestling to judo but you see some people with judo backgrounds wrestling in college.. they usually return to judo after, though. examples are Jason Morris and Jimmy Pedro.
 
BJ wrestled at west valley?? :eek:

Thats fresh. Cung Le went there too.
 
Most wrestlers go straight into no-gi, because they are already used to controlling an opponent without a gi. No-gi blackbelts from legit instructors are more rare.
 
In my mind you have to look at weather or not the black belt is legit.

Guerrilla BJJ and Greg Jackson's Guidu-jitsu isn't as legit as a black belt under someone like Cesar Gracie, Robert Drysdale, Pedro Sauer, etc.

So the only names that come to mind are guys like Jake Shields and Jeff Monson.

Rashad's was questionable. Fitch was okay I guess, but it doesn't hold water like Shields' does. Especially since you never see Fitch do anything with it outside of MMA, and you never see what he can do on his back.
 
Just to clarify, Ricky Lundell never made the NCAA tournament nor was he the starter. He was on the team cause I think he's good friends with Cyler.
 
SFCFighter said:
yes but you seemed skeptical that he even wrestled high school

if you know anything about eddie or about folkstyle wrestling, it seems pretty clear he has some wrestling experience

did you wrestle high school or college?

NCAA isnt the end all be all of wrestling. most folks think only NCAA div 1 counts but because of the nature of the sport, div 2 and 3 have tons of great wrestlers, also non-NCAA conferences like the NAIA have great wrestlers, not to mention limiting it to the NCAA limits things to Americans primarily.

Mark Schultlz is an olympic gold medalist, world champion, 3x ncaa div 1 champion, and a pedro sauer black belt

as for your second bonus question, Ricky Lundell is the only guy i have heard of making it to "NCAA" with a black belt in BJJ, but I personally know quite a few people who started wrestling at a junior college with only a BJJ or Judo background. BJ Penn and Darren Uyenoyama did so. BJ wrestled at west valley college after winning the mundials.

more people go from wrestling to judo but you see some people with judo backgrounds wrestling in college.. they usually return to judo after, though. examples are Jason Morris and Jimmy Pedro.
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I agree with the div. 1 thing, tervel dlagnev was a div 2 wrestler yet he is clearly the best wrestler for america at 120kg. Also check this,

Div 1 all american getting dominated by an uzbek who wrestled at colby.
 
gocubs1815 said:
In my mind you have to look at weather or not the black belt is legit.
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Dave is not legit now?

Guerrilla BJJ and Greg Jackson's Guidu-jitsu isn't as legit as a black belt under someone like Cesar Gracie, Robert Drysdale, Pedro Sauer, etc.
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Dave is a BB under Ralph and also a former international judo competitor, his belts are as legit as anyone out there.

So the only names that come to mind are guys like Jake Shields and Jeff Monson.

Rashad's was questionable. Fitch was okay I guess, but it doesn't hold water like Shields' does. Especially since you never see Fitch do anything with it outside of MMA, and you never see what he can do on his back.
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So basically you rank BJJ BBs with performance on sport BJJ circuits? what a sad way of thinking.

I guess Gracie JJ isnt also true JJ because they dont do well in BJJ competition either.
 
gocubs1815 said:
In my mind you have to look at weather or not the black belt is legit.

Guerrilla BJJ isn't as legit as a black belt under someone like Cesar Gracie, Robert Drysdale, Pedro Sauer, etc.
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Dave came up under Ralph and that whole crew. Ralph, Cesar, BJ Penn, Drac, Renzo, etc. were all part of that. You acting like because Dave mixed a little more of his Judo into the game and branched out on his own somehow makes his belts less effective is just plain ol' dumb!:icon_neut
 
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