Social WR Lounge v248: Being short makes my big dong look absolutely gigantic.

[essie]

Sorry @essie but a high priest of wokeness has declared your emotional fragility *ahem* "politically useless"

Oh I’m quite sure as much is true. I’m too easily worn down by the celebration of racism and misogyny. I would have no path towards effective governance.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

@essie mentioned this one:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazin...irst-white-president-ta-nehisi-coates/537909/

I read an excerpt from the book you're talking about, and I thought it was very good, but not the kind of thing that I'm really interested in so I didn't read the rest, but it looks good.

I don't think that "victim ideology" is a good lens from which to view things. The way these things normally go is that one person accuses someone else of that, and then the other person points out that the other side does the same (note how the MSM kept insisting that we should understand and sympathize with the pain of Trump supporters), and basically everyone's right to some extent because a lot of what politics is is identifying problems and trying to fix them. If one is determined to see their opponents as "embracing victim ideology," there will be no shortage of justifications. I don't see Coates as being unusual in that regard, and I think the key is just whether people are correct or incorrect about the claims they make and whether they can be reasonable about them (this is a consistent theme in my thinking here, you may have noticed).

I am not "determined" to see my opponents embrace victim ideology.

I do want them to remove these binding shackles, yes,...100 percent.

I went in reading this book, with a clear mind.
right off the bat he portrays a short sighted, factually inaccurate account of the Mike Brown shooting and maligns police.
and it pretty much went down hill from there.
there were a couple thought provoking parts, like when he recounts his thoughts regarding the death of his friend, Prince Jones.

and as i mentioned earlier to Trotsky, his time spent in France.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

Lol

exactly.. continue the self flagellation.

 

[CubicleGangster]

So that Cash Me Outside girl turned 18 and started an onlyfans which is kind of weird how quickly everyone signed up, but even weirder to me is that she is already covered in tattoos which means she got most of that ink done before she turned 18

Wtf

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

I do, but the point is also just that it's a good demonstration of his thinking and writing skills. Even if someone disagrees with the points, if they make an honest effort to engage them, they'll see that it's a serious piece.

BTW (@Social Distance Warrior), in that piece, Coates quotes Murray:

“We so obviously despise them, we so obviously condescend to them,” the conservative social scientist Charles Murray, who co-wrote The Bell Curve, recently told The New Yorker, speaking of the white working class. “The only slur you can use at a dinner party and get away with is to call somebody a redneck—that won’t give you any problems in Manhattan.”

Is that "victim ideology"? I'd say yes, but again, I think rather than try to inaugurate a pissing contest, we should just examine the claims on their merits (and Coates does take a look at the facts there).

I think you and I have a different understanding of what "victim ideology" is.

before we continue, what is your understanding or definition of it?

 

[Jack V Savage]

I am not "determined" to see my opponents embrace victim ideology.

I do want them to remove these binding shackles, yes,...100 percent.

I went in reading this book, with a clear mind.
right off the bat he portrays a short sighted, factually inaccurate account of the Mike Brown shooting and maligns police.
and it pretty much went down hill from there.
there were a couple thought provoking parts, like when he recounts his thoughts regarding the death of his friend, Prince Jones.

and as i mentioned earlier to Trotsky, his time spent in France.

What does "not embracing victim ideology entail" in terms of concrete actions? Because I'm having a hard time reading it as anything other than a call for silence in the face of perceived injustice (again, I think the real argument is about the accuracy of anyone's perception there or the effectiveness and tradeoffs of proposed solutions).

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

So that Cash Me Outside girl turned 18 and started an onlyfans which is kind of weird how quickly everyone signed up, but even weirder to me is that she is already covered in tattoos which means she got most of that ink done before she turned 18

Wtf

American dream...land of the Opportunist.

isn't she a millionaire now?

 

[essie]

exactly.. continue the self flagellation.

It's hard to find a way to respond to someone who decries victimhood but dismisses anyone who thinks differently than them a "WPEM". Of course, the abundant irony is too strong for me.

 

[CubicleGangster]

American dream...land of the Opportunist.

isn't she a millionaire now?

Definitely is now. Her OF already has an obnoxiously high amount of subscribers. She made some shitty rap videos on YouTube that has millions of views as well. She should be set for life but we'll see how that pans out in the next 5 years. I have a feeling she's gonna be dropping a lot of dark secrets by her mid 20s.

 

[Jack V Savage]

Lol

That piece also goes over the idea of "race traitors" or whatever.

I think you and I have a different understanding of what "victim ideology" is.

before we continue, what is your understanding or definition of it?

My understanding of the term is that it's a rhetorical tool used to dismiss concerns without examining them. So, like, if someone complains about racial bias in the criminal-justice system, someone else can say, "that's victim ideology and therefore bad," without looking into whether there is racial bias in the CJ system or whether anything should be done about it. Or if someone says, "the white working class is neglected by our politicians," someone else can say, "that's victim ideology and therefore bad," and not look into that issue. Not sure what the real meaning would be.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

It's hard to find a way to respond to someone who decries victimhood but dismisses anyone who thinks differently than them a "WPEM". Of course, the abundant irony is too strong for me.

read your first response to me. it reeks of "omg, if you don't agree with me I'm going to be offended!!"

"people" like you, are not interested in conversation, but rather compliance to your warped view of the world.

 

[essie]

What does "not embracing victim ideology entail" in terms of concrete actions? Because I'm having a hard time reading it as anything other than a call for silence in the face of perceived injustice (again, I think the real argument is about the accuracy of anyone's perception there or the effectiveness and tradeoffs of proposed solutions).

The entire idea of hand wringing over victim complexes is just a way to pressure people into silence. To say that Coates operates from a place of victimhood is silly, of course. This is a man who grew up in crack stricken neighborhoods who now writes comic books and at major publications for a living. His success is a rebuke to so called victimhood. Documenting the struggle is not existing within victimhood, it's taking autonomy over your plight.

 

[essie]

read your first response to me. it reeks of "omg, if you don't agree with me I'm going to be offended!!"

"people" like you, are not interested in conversation, but rather compliance to your warped view of the world.

See, this is ironic once again. You make lists of people who don't agree with you and label them. To say I am the one who is adherent to my worldview is very rich. You wield the word offended as a weapon against those who might disagree with you. You think casting my reaction to ignorance or racism as offense paints me as weak. I am not offended, I am tired.

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

Lol is that real? Please link the article if you can.

 

[essie]

Lol is that real? Please link the article if you can.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/atte...ainesville-florida_n_59ea766ae4b0958c468228ff

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

My understanding of the term is that it's a rhetorical tool used to dismiss concerns without examining them. So, like, if someone complains about racial bias in the criminal-justice system, someone else can say, "that's victim ideology and therefore bad," without looking into whether there is racial bias in the CJ system or whether anything should be done about it. Or if someone says, "the white working class is neglected by our politicians," someone else can say, "that's victim ideology and therefore bad," and not look into that issue. Not sure what the real meaning would be.

My definition is, not accepting accountability for your actions and/or inactions.
Blaming your failures on other people or "peoples".

Making individual, poor (dropping out of school, impregnating a few women in High School) and sometimes criminal decisions, and then blaming others for where you are in life.

Tell me Jack, where you are in life....did this happen by luck, or good fortune? or did you work your ass off?

 

[Jesus H. Sherdog]

I thought that was aqua man, I think that every time I see this Roman fellow

Omg one is Hawaiian and one is Samoan!

Haoles I swear...

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

See, this is ironic once again. You make lists of people who don't agree with you and label them. To say I am the one who is adherent to my worldview is very rich. You wield the word offended as a weapon against those who might disagree with you. You think casting my reaction to ignorance or racism as offense paints me as weak. I am not offended, I am tired.

Many of you follow the same script. Do you see how easily I predicted your line of thinking with my test? I knew, based off a few dozen of your posts how you think, and how self loathing you are about yourself.

you "people" are predictable as you are stupid.

 

[essie]

Do you see how easily I predicted your line of thinking with my test?

No, I am quite sure I have as little clue as to what you are talking about as you do.

 

[Social Distance Warrior]

No, I am quite sure I have as little clue as to what you are talking about as you do.

LOL. and now you're a liar. can't say I'm surprised. We're done here.