Social WR Lounge v206: I generally know what I’m talking about when it comes to science and nature

[TheGreatA]

I take your point and wasn't saying anyone here saying he's an unskilled brawler but it is a common misconception in general. Honestly, if there was something that was over-rated about Duran above 135 pounds, it would be his power. Sure, he managed to wobble and/or drop and overall cream some bigger guys, but it was overwhelmingly from an accumulation of punches.

He was beating on Moore like a drum with clean punches for like two rounds on end non-stop. Against Barkley yeah off a four punch combo very late in a fight in a long vicious fight. Both times they got up off the ground.

What allowed him to fight in four+ decades and legit be world title class for 20 of those years was actually how hard it was to actually hit him clean. That's why his longevity was vastly superior to Leonard's, Hearn's, and about 99.99% of fighters who ever laced them up.

135 is a different story though as his power and handspeed for that weight class was God-tier, like his other skills.

It wasn't just the fact that he dropped bigger guys, but how he was able to keep them at bay. Make them respect him.

There's no way in hell that Pernell Whitaker could've held off Marvin Hagler at 160 pounds. But Hagler was legit aware of Duran's power, even though he had a cast-iron chin. He didn't want to take any more of what Duran had to offer, than what was necessary to pull out a decision.

Also Barkley was more like a light heavyweight with his frame, he was massive. He ate Hearns's best shots. Yet Duran had him stunned even in the very first round.

His power for a 135 lber was insane. Which is shown by the fact that he iced a ton of guys at that particular weight. And kept punching well above his weight even at 147, 154 and 160, though he was no longer a KO artist.

 

[Deleted member 579584]

I'm fool.

The way the word sounded and the fact that it came up because I mentioned furries should have been more than enough.

What's wrong with good ol' fashioned Big Booty Ebony porn? People are messed up.

I'm more Brazilian type of guy but yeah people are so Damn odd about what the watch anymore. It also doesn't help when you got super weird friends

 

[Deorum]

Smart people don't talk boxing on Sherdog. Shame on you for bringing it up.

Re: Duran's Defense. Fucking Unreal. <45>

 

[Stoic1]

@Stoic1 i for one am wildly insulted they deleted your post. You say you're a veteran, you've had to endure losing friends for multinational companies while making the US less safe. As a Trump supporting soldier you've supported atchng alliances get spit on and supported genocide in both Rojava and Yemen, you can!e here to earn us about Jade Helm and they censor you?

@Stoic1 you proud mercenary, how dare they censor you!

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

It wasn't just the fact that he dropped bigger guys, but how he was able to keep them at bay. Make them respect him.

There's no way in hell that Pernell Whitaker could've held off Marvin Hagler at 160 pounds. But Hagler was legit aware of Duran's power, even though he had a cast-iron chin.

Also Barkley was more like a light heavyweight with his frame, he was massive. He ate Hearns's best shots. Yet Duran had him stunned even in the very first round.

His power for a 135 lber was insane. Which is shown by the fact that he iced a ton of guys at that particular weight. And kept punching well above his weight even at 147, 154 and 160, though he was no longer a KO artist.

True Whitaker wouldn't be able to earn Hagler's respect, though he's always been a rather pitty pat puncher like Hector Camacho. Although when Whitaker decides to sit on his punches, he actually could bang decently, but he usually fought without doing that. When he accidentally punched the referee clean when not on his back foot and the ref didn't go anywhere is one of my fave bloopers. Anyhow, I'd say Whitaker had below average one punch power, and Duran a little above average one punch power in higher weight classes.

 

[LazaRRus]

Ray Arcel, his trainer, felt that Duran needed to visit a psychiatrist after that loss.

I tend to think that it was the case of a massively over-blown ego and the process of being humbled. Duran was at the top of the world and was starting to take things for granted. He only had one loss, which he avenged twice.

i didn't know that Arcel suggested that. Very interesting information. Appreciate it.

That makes a lot of sense. Same thing happened to Tyson in a certain sense.

 

[Stoic1]

LOL my post was ninja-deleted. Not even a notification. I wonder if it was the FBI?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

There's a large chasm between "critical observation about a culture" and a derogatory stereotype. What's more, if you specify race instead of culture, you aren't making a cultural observation.
I think @panamaican has gone over this idea of "black culture" at length here with the self styled War Room experts. Specifically in regards to it's use as a thin veneer for racism.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/culture

1a: the customary beliefs, social forms, and material traits of a racial, religious, or social group

 

[Sycho Sid]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/culture

This is a very stupid hill to argue on.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

C'mon now special ed. continue your bullshit fantasy.

Also pick a different reaction, you're so pathetic you boost my retarded ass self esteem.

I know your kind bruh. You ain't shit.

 

[Stoic1]

C'mon now special ed. continue your bullshit fantasy.

Also pick a different reaction, you're so pathetic you boost my retarded ass self esteem.

I know your kind bruh. You ain't shit.

You're in a lounge thread. On a karate forum. And clearly triggered from some bullshit I wrote.

You cannot imagine how amused I am that so many of you took it seriously. And continue to do so.

 

[Sycho Sid]

You're in a lounge thread. On a karate forum. And clearly triggered from some bullshit I wrote.

You cannot imagine how amused I am that so many of you took it seriously. And continue to do so.

 

[Stoic1]

I'm out of likes.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

No no no, according to him, he was just kidding.

His post was stolen from parler. It's been floating around a week.

You're in a lounge thread. On a karate forum. And clearly triggered from some bullshit I wrote.

You cannot imagine how amused I am that so many of you took it seriously. And continue to do so.

Oh I don't take you seriously. I think you're a balding twice divorced boomer, I think you're fucking dumb and a coward. I'm proudly anti fascist, why you scared of embracing your real beliefs dude?

 

[Deorum]

my retarded ass self esteem.

You aren't retarded, Nicholas. You're a big sweetheart (srs).

You're in a lounge thread. On a karate forum. And clearly triggered from some bullshit I wrote.

You cannot imagine how amused I am that so many of you took it seriously. And continue to do so.

My defending you (twice) caused a stir here.

Civil War is bad, man. Life's so great, FFS.

 

[Deleted member 579584]

You aren't retarded, Nicholas. You're a big sweetheart (srs).



My defending you (twice) caused a stir here.

Civil War is bad, man. Life's so great, FFS.

What happend

 

[Stoic1]

His post was stolen from parler. It's been floating around a week.


Oh I don't take you seriously. I think you're a balding twice divorced boomer, I think you're fucking dumb and a coward. I'm proudly anti fascist, why you scared of embracing your real beliefs dude?

1) I didn't steal anything. I literally made it up because Jade Helm has been triggering people since 2015.

2) My hairline is intact. Also happily married for 20 years. Why so angry, mean, and hateful?

3) Oh. Its because you're ANTIFA. Sorry.

4) Its a great day to be me. Mainly because I'm not you.

 

[TheGreatA]

True Whitaker wouldn't be able to earn Hagler's respect, though he's always been a rather pitty pat puncher like Hector Camacho. Although when Whitaker decides to sit on his punches, he actually could bang decently, but he usually fought without doing that. When he accidentally punched the referee clean when not on his back foot and the ref didn't go anywhere is one of my fave bloopers. Anyhow, I'd say Whitaker had below average one punch power, and Duran a little above average one punch power in higher weight classes.

Whitaker's power probably wouldn't have translated too well into the middleweight division. He had just enough pop at 147 to make a guy think, though not necessarily worry. It was his other tools that they had to worry about.

Duran always managed to make the other guy worry about him, and I tend to think that was integral to the way he fought. He wouldn't have been as effective if he couldn't punch. His aggressive style was built on top of his natural ability to hurt people.

It's pretty crazy to see an ancient Duran fight a guy like Jorge Castro, who fought up to cruiserweight and had a granite chin, and he still manages to make the guy hesitant. He still earns respect.

Taking nothing away from Duran's skills, which were obviously at ATG level. But guys like Whitaker, to me, were always akin to a blind person who develops all his other senses to compensate. He couldn't punch, not at the top level, anyway, so he had to figure out other ways to get the job done. He came up with a system that was really a marvel to watch, well, atleast at times, but it probably couldn't be duplicated by too many other people. He did his thing and nobody has really done it since.

 

[AgonyandIrony]

You aren't retarded, Nicholas. You're a big sweetheart (srs).



My defending you (twice) caused a stir here.

Civil War is bad, man. Life's so great, FFS.

Eh I appreciate that, I'm smarter than most on some issues and dumber than most on others.


Dude been playing that horseshit civil war game a hot minute.

1) I didn't steal anything. I literally made it up because Jade Helm has been triggering people since 2015.

2) My hairline is intact. Also happily married for 20 years. Why so angry, mean, and hateful?

3) Oh. Its because you're ANTIFA. Sorry.

4) Its a great day to be me. Mainly because I'm not you.

You acting real cute over a call out but your bullshit is well documented for years. Crybaby Trump cultist that's all you is.

Happily married and active duty!? I hang out at bars that give you free drinks for fucking a Marines wife. Wild how the world works these days.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

This is a very stupid hill to argue on.

The sociologist in me can't help it. I understand that discussion on the finer points aren't for everyone. But I did feel obligated to let him know the definition of the term contradicts his claim.