Social WR Lounge v206: I generally know what I’m talking about when it comes to science and nature

[Deorum]

@Deorum

What is this shit? Duran is probably the only fighter you can make an argument for as being both a top 10 offensive fighter of all time, and a top 10 defensive fighters of all time.

Whitaker was an awkward southpaw who during his day was great but got so much dick riding for beating a fading Chavez and now kind of just a forgotten fighter. He deserves better, but more skillful than Duran?

LOL. No way.

The whole Duran is a brawler thing was just shit marketing that was done to promote him to shit casuals as part of a story line. Sugar Ray Leonard had better power at 147 than Duran did for Christ's sake. Duran the brawler is the most ridiculous piece of boxing total bullshit lore next to Muhammad Ali was getting beaten pillar to post until Foreman punched himself out, in Zaire. Just total, 100% shameless bullshit.

It feels like this shouldn't be directed at me. Did you see what I said about Robeartoe Dooran? I think he's a Boxing God and went into detail on exactly why while just about everyone else was saying "Whitaker" in one sentence replies like a foregone conclusion.

Whereas someone like JCC closed distance and cut the ring by more traditional methods of mirroring his opponents with side steps, Duran did it predominantly with explosive forward advances, an array of feints and right hand leads; yet in the pocket and fighting at close quarters his offensive variation, ability to slip, roll and counter, be in perfection position to get off and land devastating shots is second to none.

I'm actually convinced Duran was one of the greatest defensive fighters in the history of boxing himself. I dunno about heart though Dip, a washed up Whitaker went the distance with prime Tito Trinidad despite a broken jaw from the sixth round on. I also count the De La Hoya fight a couple years prior as a win.

Post-147 Dooran is depressing: wildly diminished attributes, ability, will to fight, and even worse, lesser motivated training habits than before when he had the surprisingly fast hands, cat-like reflexes, greater agility and fluidity in his defensive upperbody movement, fresher wheels, higher level of stamina, a more consistent work rate and if not more power relative to the divisions then certainly a higher capacity to get his shots off and find the target. The multitude of angles Duran was able to attack, slip, roll, duck and counter effectively from just isn't even comparable. Not even when watching him take apart Cuevas and Moore.

And yet he went in with the highly capable, highly conditioned ambidextrous Top 5 ATG Middleweight who was right in the thick of a seven-year, 12-defense reign at the top and basically operating right near the height of his powers. What happens? He doesn't just last the distance with him - something every other Hagler title challenger aside from Ray Leonard failed to do - he fights competitively, he wins rounds, and at times makes him look tentative, ordinary, even puzzled by not fighting in the manner that on paper should've afforded a natural counterpuncher like Hagler the chance to look dominant and impressive in what up to that point was considered the biggest fight of his career.

 

[salamander]

I'd far prefer that the F-word be allowed than to be equated with people who fuck kids, corpses and animals.

Furries?

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Of course culture exists. "Black" does not equate to "black American" and derogatory ethnic/cultural stereotypes about Black Americans are still racist.

That's fine. I just disagree that every non-flattering observation on culture as it pertains to race is racist. Pretty sure the definition of culture doesn't only include the aspects viewed positively.

 

[JDragon]

Can you swim?

It's like calling someone who is called Gilberto 'Gulperto' because he drowned.

 

[TheGreatA]

Do you think culture exists? Pretty sure "not all" is gonna apply wherever one looks.

Tolerate whatever floats your boat.

Didn't really think that this was such a controversial topic. I mean, that issue has been brought up before in major media outlets, and by prominent black voices in America. The reasons for it, vary from mass incarcerations, to socio-economic, to cultural.

 

[Sketch]

It's like calling someone who is called Gilberto 'Gulperto' because he drowned.

What is your favorite stroke for swimming

 

[Deleted member 579584]

Furries?

futnari

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Didn't really think that this was such a controversial topic. I mean, that issue has been brought up before in major media outlets, and by prominent black voices in America. The reasons for it, vary from mass incarcerations, to socio-economic, to cultural.

Which issue? Parenting?

 

[salamander]

futnari

Will I get put on a registry if I google what that means?

 

[salamander]

ugh dude thats fucking disgusting man. gross

 

[Deleted member 579584]

ugh dude thats fucking disgusting man. gross

LOL!!! Why did you look it up I was going tell you what it is man

 

[JDragon]

What is your favorite stroke for swimming

Breast
Though I am not sure if I prefer to stroke or crawl breast

 

[JDragon]

Will I get put on a registry if I google what that means?

 

[AgonyandIrony]

@Stoic1 i for one am wildly insulted they deleted your post. You say you're a veteran, you've had to endure losing friends for multinational companies while making the US less safe. As a Trump supporting soldier you've supported atchng alliances get spit on and supported genocide in both Rojava and Yemen, you can!e here to earn us about Jade Helm and they censor you?

@Stoic1 you proud mercenary, how dare they censor you!

 

[JDragon]

"Knowledge that cannot be unknown"

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

I don't think saying "Whitaker was more skilled than Duran" is a matter of dismissing Duran as just a brawler. I mean, I could say "Whitaker was more skilled than Floyd Mayweather" but that doesn't make Floyd just a brawler either. It's just a matter of opinion.

Let's face it, Whitaker went pretty far for a guy who couldn't really punch worth a damn. Duran, on the other hand, was dropping middleweights on their ass.

Power is a great equalizer in the sport of boxing, and Duran possessed that particular attribute in spades.

I take your point and wasn't saying anyone here saying he's an unskilled brawler but it is a common misconception in general. Honestly, if there was something that was over-rated about Duran above 135 pounds, it would be his power. Sure, he managed to wobble and/or drop and overall cream some bigger guys, but it was overwhelmingly from an accumulation of punches.

He was beating on Moore like a drum with clean punches for like two rounds on end non-stop. Against Barkley yeah off a four punch combo very late in a fight in a long vicious fight. Both times they got up off the ground.

What allowed him to fight in four+ decades and legit be world title class for 20 of those years was actually how hard it was to actually hit him clean. That's why his longevity was vastly superior to Leonard's, Hearn's, and about 99.99% of fighters who ever laced them up.

135 is a different story though as his power and handspeed for that weight class was God-tier, like his other skills.

 

[Sycho Sid]

@Stoic1 i for one am wildly insulted they deleted your post. You say you're a veteran, you've had to endure losing friends for multinational companies while making the US less safe. As a Trump supporting soldier you've supported atchng alliances get spit on and supported genocide in both Rojava and Yemen, you can!e here to earn us about Jade Helm and they censor you?

@Stoic1 you proud mercenary, how dare they censor you!

No no no, according to him, he was just kidding.

 

[Unknown Pleasures]

It feels like this shouldn't be directed at me. Did you see what I said about Robeartoe Dooran? I think he's a Boxing God and went into detail on exactly why while just about everyone else was saying "Whitaker" in one sentence replies like a foregone conclusion.

Smart people don't talk boxing on Sherdog. Shame on you for bringing it up.

 

[Ruprecht]

That's fine. I just disagree that every non-flattering observation on culture as it pertains to race is racist. Pretty sure the definition of culture doesn't only include the aspects viewed positively.

There's a large chasm between "critical observation about a culture" and a derogatory stereotype. What's more, if you specify race instead of culture, you aren't making a cultural observation.
I think @panamaican has gone over this idea of "black culture" at length here with the self styled War Room experts. Specifically in regards to it's use as a thin veneer for racism.

 

[salamander]

LOL!!! Why did you look it up I was going tell you what it is man

I'm a fool.

The way the word sounded and the fact that it came up because I mentioned furries should have been more than enough.

What's wrong with good ol' fashioned Big Booty Ebony porn? People are messed up.