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Social WR Lounge v206: I generally know what I’m talking about when it comes to science and nature

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tonni said:
Just check any thread about a black person dying. Open racism is tolerated by the community and oftentimes the mods.
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Not really.

From what I've seen, the dudes who keep it racial get dubs or a ban pretty quickly.
 
TheGreatA said:
Not really.

From what I've seen, the dudes who keep it racial get dubs or a ban pretty quickly.
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No. Someone said “black parents are notoriously awful” and it got close to zero pushback and it was tolerated by “some” mods.

Black kid dies, people call it the ghetto lottery ffs.
 
@tonni

They are mostly concerned with blatant derogatory slurs on this forum. You can get away with saying a whole lot of dehumanizing and horrible things that don't include them. I actually support this right on pure principle even if I detest the speech. Plus lot of people are actually capable of wrapping content in "subtlety".
 
tonni said:
No. Someone said “black parents are notoriously awful” and it got close to zero pushback and it was tolerated by “some” mods.

Black kid dies, people call it the ghetto lottery ffs.
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It's a crude statement without a whole lot of sophistication, but not one that you can automatically call out as racist.

If we are talking about in an American context, then the guy could easily pull up statistics to provide a foundation for his statement. Parenthood is an issue among that demographic, one that the demographic itself mostly acknowledges. This is like going back to the early 90's and saying that Finns are hard-drinkers and suicidal, both of which were true at that particular time.

To make that point in a crude and ugly way, in the context that it was made in, is a dick move, though. But not something that I see as grounds for a ban or anything like that. Unless the guy start pushing it to the direction that it's inherent and genetic and unchangeable. By that point, we usually see people depart our midst, even people who used to be decent posters.
 
TheGreatA said:
Never saw that so much as an issue with his "heart" as much as his head.

Apart from that fight, Duran had a legendary chin (that held up from featherweight to middleweight) and took much bigger beatings without quitting. Had Leonard put a beating on him, instead of having to be chased all night, Duran would have probably hung in there all the way. But on that particular night, he just wasn't fixing to chase after the bigger man, which is a bit weird, because otherwise he took his losses well. I'd say that Benitez did a much more clear-cut master-class on Duran than Leonard, but Duran stayed there all night. The crazy thing is that Duran wasn't even really behind in the cards at the time he quit against Leonard.

This was a one-off incident in a career consisting of 119 fights, the way I see it.
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I don't disagree there. I wasn't ever actually questioning his heart at all only pointing out why disagreed with the @The Diplomat.

He definitely had a granite chin. SRL knew how to frustrate him and did just that. Iwas as surprised as you were because like you said he wasn't too far behind on the cards and certainly had taken much more punishment from a lot bigger punchers. Can't speak to his mind-set but sometimes fighters know it isn't their night. It's the only rational explanation that I can conclude.
 
TheGreatA said:
It's a crude statement without a whole lot of sophistication, but not one that you can automatically call out as racist.

If we are talking about in an American context, then the guy could easily pull up statistics to provide a foundation for his statement. Parenthood is an issue among that demographic, one that the demographic itself mostly acknowledges. This is like going back to the early 90's and saying that Finns are hard-drinkers and suicidal, both of which were true at that particular time.

To make that point in a crude and ugly way, in the context that it was made in, is a dick move, though. But not something that I see as grounds for a ban or anything like that. Unless the guy start pushing it to the direction that it's inherent and genetic and unchangeable. By that point, we usually see people depart our midst, even people who used to be decent posters.
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“A crude statement without a whole lot of sophistication” is a pleonasm, that aside I think that calling black parents “awful” meets the criteria of racist speech.

Should be a permaban for a guy that just got off a ban for being racist.
 
Social Distance Warrior said:
What's your next big wager?
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Not sure yet honestly. It will probably be Sunday in the NFL. I typically like grabbing lines early but it's impossible because of COVID. You don't know who is going to play and if they don't cancel the game you're stuck with the bet. Not touching NBA for at least a month
 
Deorum said:
@tonni

They are mostly concerned with blatant derogatory slurs on this forum. You can get away with saying a whole lot of dehumanizing and horrible things that don't include them. I actually support this right on pure principle even if I detest the speech. Plus lot of people are actually capable of wrapping content in "subtlety".
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You can say “black parents are awful” but you can’t post gay art.
 
LazaRRus said:
I don't disagree there. I wasn't ever actually questioning his heart at all only pointing out why disagreed with the @The Diplomat.

He definitely had a granite chin. SRL knew how to frustrate him and did just that. Iwas as surprised as you were because like you said he wasn't too far behind on the cards and certainly had taken much more punishment from a lot bigger punchers. Can't speak to his mind-set but sometimes fighters know it isn't their night. It's the only rational explanation that I can conclude.
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Ray Arcel, his trainer, felt that Duran needed to visit a psychiatrist after that loss.

I tend to think that it was the case of a massively over-blown ego and the process of being humbled. Duran was at the top of the world and was starting to take things for granted. He only had one loss, which he avenged twice.

tonni said:
“A crude statement without a whole lot of sophistication” is a pleonasm, that aside I think that calling black parents “awful” meets the criteria of racist speech.

Should be a permaban for a guy that just got off a ban for being racist.
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I don't think a blanket statement about a demographic should be deemed racist automatically, because we're all pretty much guilty of having made such statements. Sometimes it's just to stir it up and start an argument. Other times it's just intellectual laziness.

I'm not going to pretend to be much better in this regard, a lot of times I throw out a weak-ass, stereotypical statement which is provocative, in order to get a discussion going. People are much less likely to debate a statement that's rock-solid and difficult to challenge from any angle, with all the bases covered. But I didn't necessarily come here to be agreeable. I come here to get some debates going, and a bait statement like "Muslims/trannies bad", is as good a way as any to get it going.

I think the threshold should be as high as possible for warnings and bans.
 
TheGreatA said:
Ray Arcel, his trainer, felt that Duran needed to visit a psychiatrist after that loss.

I tend to think that it was the case of a massively over-blown ego and the process of being humbled. Duran was at the top of the world and was starting to take things for granted. He only had one loss, which he avenged twice.



I don't think a blanket statement about a demographic should be deemed racist automatically, because we're all pretty much guilty of having made such statements. Sometimes it's just to stir it up and start an argument. Other times it's just intellectual laziness.

I'm not going to pretend to be much better in this regard, a lot of times I throw out a weak-ass, stereotypical statement which is provocative, in order to get a discussion going. People are much less likely to debate a statement that's rock-solid and difficult to challenge from any angle. But I didn't necessarily come here to be agreeable. I come here to get some debates going, and a bait statement like "Muslims/trannies bad", is a good way to get it going.

I think the threshold should be as high as possible for warnings and bans.
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That’s cute, let’s ask a mod though: @Ruprecht are statements like “black parents are notoriously awful” allowed, yes or no? There seems to be some confusion.
 
salamander said:
I'm personally used to it.
For me it's better to know where people are at even tho their worldview is repulsive to me.
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I can understand that, but when there’s no pushback to it, it makes this place earn its reputation as “sherfront”.
 
tonni said:
That’s cute, let’s ask a mod though: @Ruprecht are statements like “black parents are notoriously awful” allowed, yes or no? There seems to be some confusion.
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Is that statement really any better though if a guy says that "according to statistics, black parents are more likely to do blah blah than white parents"? And then pulling up some stats to prove his point?

I mean, it's driven by the same sentiment, just formulated in a more subtle and sophisticated manner.

From what I've gathered, you can pretty much get away with murder as long as you put up a veneer of "sophistication". Even if what you're saying is every bit as ugly as what the next guy is saying. What separates a lot of the "top-end posters" from the low-effort troll, is that they're just a lot better at hiding their malice. For example, yourself, when it comes to the trans crew.

You would've been hauled out of any left-wing board already, no question about it. Not that I'd be in favour of anything like that, but just saying.
 
tonni said:
You can say “black parents are awful” but you can’t post gay art.
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I'd far prefer that the F-word be allowed than to be equated with people who fuck kids, corpses and animals.
 
Ruprecht said:
No. They are not allowed. That is absolutely racism.
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