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Well there were SOME parts of the sherdog community that made fun about my broken english....while it wasn't really my ignorance just drunkenness but whateva.

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Jack V Savage said:
You're lumping me with a lot of people who are not at all similar to me. My take (and I actually think most "market-oriented liberals" would agree with this) is that cash benefits are the best solution to poverty. I've said many times that poverty in the developed world is mostly a matter of people in certain groups (elderly, children, and the disabled mostly) not getting any market income, and that it is fixed by giving people in those groups transfer income. That's not austerity at all, and people who try to engineer market results to reduce poverty are not of my persuasion.

And I'd think that progressives would be our allies on this one, but sadly, that is not what I find.
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Aggressively tailoring entitlements was the work of the Clintonites (and ideological descendants like Amy Klobuchar and Cory Booker), not the McGoverns before them or the socialists, etc. after them. In fact, failing to condition welfare programs has been a constant criticism of the socialist left.

Does "True Progressives" just mean Anung? Because I don't think it's remotely true that there is a left wing faction that is hung up on tailoring payouts to the poor. On this particular subject, you clearly have more in common with progressives more than mainstream liberals...so it's striking that you're calling out the former.

Side note, I've noticed True Progressives (happy, @Andy Capp?) have started using "austerity" to refer to things that are manifestly not austerity (recent example is that dipshit David Sirota). What's up with that?
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I do not know. I've only read two things by Sirota in recent memory, the latest being a piece i strongly disagreed with, arguing the Dems should hold the COVID bill hostage over the minimum wage.

Without knowing what you're talking about, I'd guess it's sloppiness/imprecision.
 
Trotsky said:
Aggressively tailoring entitlements was the work of the Clintonites (and ideological descendants like Amy Klobuchar and Cory Booker), not the McGoverns before them or the socialists, etc. after them. In fact, failing to condition welfare programs has been a constant criticism of the socialist left.

Does "True Progressives" just mean Anung? Because I don't think it's remotely true that there is a left wing faction that is hung up on tailoring payouts to the poor. On this particular subject, you clearly have more in common with progressives more than mainstream liberals...so it's striking that you're calling out the former.



I do not know. I've only read two things by Sirota in recent memory, the latest being a piece i strongly disagreed with, arguing the Dems should hold the COVID bill hostage over the minimum wage.

Without knowing what you're talking about, I'd guess it's sloppiness/imprecision.
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How about mr Trotsky will find IRA situation? I admit it's close to my heart and us as polish were always Ireland freedom fighters. How about that?
 
Trotsky said:
Aggressively tailoring entitlements was the work of the Clintonites (and ideological descendants like Amy Klobuchar and Cory Booker), not the McGoverns before them or the socialists, etc. after them. In fact, failing to condition welfare programs has been a constant criticism of the socialist left.

Does "True Progressives" just mean Anung? Because I don't think it's remotely true that there is a left wing faction that is hung up on tailoring payouts to the poor. On this particular subject, you clearly have more in common with progressives more than mainstream liberals...so it's striking that you're calling out the former.



I do not know. I've only read two things by Sirota in recent memory, the latest being a piece i strongly disagreed with, arguing the Dems should hold the COVID bill hostage over the minimum wage.

Without knowing what you're talking about, I'd guess it's sloppiness/imprecision.
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Right wing? Or left?
 
Jack V Savage said:
I see no example, along with your usual name-calling. Nice.

As for you, we have you breaking your word on our bet. And the Warren thing, where you misrepresented my position, I corrected you, and you insisted on continuing to misrepresent my position. Many more examples I could have given, of course.
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You call for an example and in the same post give one. Wait, two actually. Nice. Dipshit.
 
Trotsky said:
Aggressively tailoring entitlements was the work of the Clintonites (and ideological descendants like Amy Klobuchar and Cory Booker), not the McGoverns before them or the socialists, etc. after them. In fact, failing to condition welfare programs has been a constant criticism of the socialist left.

Does "True Progressives" just mean Anung? Because I don't think it's remotely true that there is a left wing faction that is hung up on tailoring payouts to the poor. On this particular subject, you clearly have more in common with progressives more than mainstream liberals...so it's striking that you're calling out the former.
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The term is broader, but, yeah, that was a dig at a position that the woman advanced that was similar to one that Anung defended (and that you kinda agreed with? You seemed to support and disavow, like maybe you thought it was reasonable but not necessarily good). I see it a lot locally (not to that extreme degree, of course), but on a national level, I don't. But I tend to suspect that national True Progressives are somewhat like the ones around here.

Again, I think that market-oriented liberals are strong supporters of cash now, which likely is a change, driven by research. To the extent that I see that from mainstream liberals, I also disagree with it. Matt Bruenig (unlike his wife) is somewhat I respect a lot despite being a True Progressive (and generally a dick) and who does a good job calling that kind of thing out.

Trotsky said:
I do not know. I've only read two things by Sirota in recent memory, the latest being a piece i strongly disagreed with, arguing the Dems should hold the COVID bill hostage over the minimum wage.

Without knowing what you're talking about, I'd guess it's sloppiness/imprecision.
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I think there's a sense that "neoliberals" (like right-wing libertarians plus left-wing liberals) love austerity, so anything "neoliberals" like is austerity.
 
Limbo Pete said:
I'm watchin you
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Italians when they see trash:

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Limbo when he thinks he sees garbage on sherdog:

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Jack V Savage said:
It's not intellectually dishonest. That phrase gets thrown around too much by leftists. You can call it lazy, if you want to be a prick, I guess.
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It is if it's deliberate, which is why I gave you the benefit of the doubt in pointing it out. You'll note the conditional nature of my reply.

Nor did I call it lazy. Even the most careful speaker can be a little loose, particularly in the Lounge, but I feel it's appropriate to hold you to the standard you set for others here in as much as I also left room for you to say, "Oh yeah, my bad," like an adult, but you uncharacteristically resorted to name-calling instead. Are you drunk?
 
maq22 said:
He is a demagogue. The one guy that treats him serious is himself.
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The tragedy of Cubo is that you know that one attaboy post from someone like @Limbo Pete would be worth a thousand from someone like this, but he just doesn't have the discipline to earn it. Kind of like Trump.
 
Limbo Pete said:
I'm watchin you
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Get that...a "funny" guy from commie neighborhood has nothing to add.

I'm glad pete really that you have this space to sometimes meet failures like yourself.

That's really optimistic. For you parents i guess.
 
Andy Capp said:
It is if it's deliberate, which is why I gave you the benefit of the doubt in pointing it out. You'll note the conditional nature of my reply.

Nor did I call it lazy. Even the most careful speaker can be a little loose, particularly in the Lounge, but I feel it's appropriate to hold you to the standard you set for others here in as much as I also left room for you to say, "Oh yeah, my bad," like an adult, but you uncharacteristically resorted to name-calling instead. Are you drunk?
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I'm not drunk. I'm calling it lazy. It's work to keep making a distinction that I think should be clear without that work. Maybe I can go @Social Distance Warrior and just abbreviate it "TPs"?
 
maq22 said:
Get that...a "funny" guy from commie neighborhood has nothing to add.

I'm glad pete really that you have this space to sometimes meet failures like yourself.

That's really optimistic. For you parents i guess.
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Have we met?
 
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