Social WR Lounge v 235: Arcane Rogue Trickster, but who likes Sickness?

[Jack V Savage]

The difference is she promised not to take corporate money so voters could trust her motivations. She understands how bad it looks to be a bought politician. If she didn't have enough support from actual voters to continue her race; she should have dropped out.

Unrelated to the point. And if everyone who takes donations is a "bought politician," then they all are. It's just a meaningless attack (I mean, theoretically, someone could actually be bought, but as populist dipshits use the term it's meaningless).

I'm not saying that there aren't some successes here and there, just that they're nowhere near what gets promised during campaigns.

LOL! We're not even two months into Biden's presidency, and we're getting one of the biggest anti-poverty measures ever. Theoretically leftists should support that kind of thing, but (as you get at above) leftism is just about a pose, and their only real value is blind hatred of anyone who actually tries to make the world better.

How many concessions did the Democrats make to the Republicans in this relief package?

Zero.

You dont have to say it to practice it. The underlined portion is just stupid and has no basis in reality. Jimmy Dore supports an agenda where the wealthy pay more in taxes to accommodate universal healthcare and stronger social safety nets. It must be a long time since you watched him if you think he's changed his stances.

No, I know that Dore claims to "support an agenda blah blah blah." But in practice, his only contribution to that agenda is dishonestly smearing anyone who is working toward it and trying to sabotage their chances. If Democrats had lost in Georgia, the relief package and everything in it would have failed. Trump would have won if Dore had his way. Do the math.

You don't hold politicians on the blue team accountable because you're a partisan hack. You don't have basic principles that neither side can violate. If you only hold one side accountable, but both sides are bought by the same people, you aren't doing anything constructive.

Yeah, anyone who disagrees with you guys gets that kind of mindless response. I regularly call out leftist dipshits, though. You're not able to call out your own side or admit when anyone in the party you hate does something good. The very act of voting for superior candidates is more constructive than anything you've done in your life, and people like Dore are the exact opposite of constructive because they just try to attack anyone trying to improve things and make dishonest accusations against them (everyone is bribed if they disagree with him, for example).

 

[Jack V Savage]

@Andy Capp, this clown above me is a good example of the "leftists" that I'm talking about.

 

[Andy Capp]

Right on with the snipped part.



Just as few conservatives today are really conservative, a lot of the leftist movement is not really leftist, IMO. So I get the confusion. I call them "True Progressives," because unlike those "corporate Democrats" (whatever the fuck that means), they're sooo leftist that they don't bother to vote, and they oppose any actual attempt to enact a leftward move in policy because it's not enough.

Check out this response in @Lead's thread:



Warren, AOC, Brown, Newsom, Castro--all "right-wing corporate Democrats." And there's a bunch of these guys. They also seem to be very generous to some rightists (Hawley, Bannon, Trump, Carlson).

From the first sentence I gather you meant "aren't really conservative".

Leaving aside the second part of that same sentence for a sec given that it's an opinion and fair dinkum, I note few--though extremely minor--prompts to tug at your reasoning. I'm not sure that apathy or inaction means they aren't leftists. If they're actively opposing progressive measures in a kind of perfect or not at all sort of manner, that's different and I consider it deplorable, but what evidence do you have of that last sentence aside from social media commentary (purely out of curiosity, mind)? It's early yet in the Biden term but I haven't noticed any sign of the likes of "The Squad"--blech--voting to defeat Democrat-led measures because they don't go far enough.

Having said all that, yes, there's undoubtedly got to be many who follow the green wherever they feel it leads for them whether it be shades of blue or red, and many who, for one reason or another, just don't care if there's a cognitive dissonance in terms of their ideals, but it seems no where nearly as big a problem on the left as on the right in terms of influence on the political will of the movers and shakers. And some are just trolls with no real beliefs other than that they never get what they deserve while everyone else gets far more.

 

[Jack V Savage]

From the first sentence I gather you meant "aren't really conservative".

Leaving aside the second part of that same sentence for a sec given that it's an opinion and fair dinkum, I note few--though extremely minor--prompts to tug at your reasoning. I'm not sure that apathy or inaction means they aren't leftists. If they're actively opposing progressive measures in a kind of perfect or not at all sort of manner, that's different and I consider it deplorable, but what evidence do you have of that last sentence aside from social media commentary (purely out of curiosity, mind)? It's early yet in the Biden term but I haven't noticed any sign of the likes of "The Squad"--blech--voting to defeat Democrat-led measures because they don't go far enough.

There's a difference between a political movement and ideological positioning. I'm saying that the movement that is branded leftist contains a lot of people who aren't ideologically on the left. And then many people who are on the left nevertheless have bad ideas about how to achieve the goals that they share with others.

Having said all that, yes, there's undoubtedly got to be many who follow the green wherever they feel it leads for them whether it be shades of blue or red, and many who, for one reason or another, just don't care if there's a cognitive dissonance in terms of their ideals, but it seems no where nearly as big a problem on the left as on the right in terms of influence on the political will of the movers and shakers. And some are just trolls with no real beliefs other than that they never get what they deserve while everyone else gets far more.

The mainstream right is fucked up, while the mainstream political left is in a pretty good place. But the left culture is as fucked up as the right, and often aligned with the right.

 

[Jack V Savage]

For example the fabled Russian election hacking. Is it a fact that was a problem? If so, what's a useful measure? I'd support an Amendment that disallows any paid political advertising originating outside the jurisdiction the ad is targeting. This would affect not just foreigners, but billionaires like Bloomberg who reside in one state and fund campaigns in another.

Putting aside campaign finance issues (where I tend to agree with you), a hostile foreign gov't illegally stealing data from Americans and then disseminating it to influence our elections seems like it pretty obviously is a problem. Weird that you'd argue for privacy in the same post where you're justifying hacking and publicizing people's private communications. I guess, like freedom of speech, privacy should only be granted to people in the right party.

 

[Andy Capp]

@Andy Capp, this clown above me is a good example of the "leftists" that I'm talking about.

I get it. I just don't think it is likely to have a significant impact on the real political will in Washington in the near- to mid-term, though admittedly that's based on my belief that what we see on here, on other social media, and in infotainment, is a very tiny slice of the overall picture blown up to something like 10,000,000 times magnification (not considering true extremists here, particularly not counting the most toxic of white nationalist echo chambers). Most of the nuttier voices we hear are disproportionately loud and I think something needs to be done to dampen their outsized impact on people but I think a lot are already learning to tune them out.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I get it. I just don't think it is likely to have a significant impact on the real political will in Washington in the near- to mid-term, though admittedly that's based on my belief that what we see on here, on other social media, and in infotainment, is a very tiny slice of the overall picture blown up to something like 10,000,000 times magnification (not considering true extremists here, particularly not counting the most toxic of white nationalist echo chambers). Most of the nuttier voices we hear are disproportionately loud and I think something needs to be done to dampen their outsized impact on people but I think a lot are already learning to tune them out.

This is true (how many people here or in social media in general thought Biden would win?). But still, given how narrow the margins are and how tilted the field is toward the GOP, if that stuff represents even one out of 100 people, that's very dangerous for the country.

 

[Cubo de Sangre]

Putting aside campaign finance issues (where I tend to agree with you), a hostile foreign gov't illegally stealing data from Americans and then disseminating it to influence our elections seems like it pretty obviously is a problem. Weird that you'd argue for privacy in the same post where you're justifying hacking and publicizing people's private communications. I guess, like freedom of speech, privacy should only be granted to people in the right party.

I used "hack" as shorthand for all their reputed efforts. Among them was taking out ads (specifically on Facebook). In a formal setting I'd have tightened up my terminology, and I didn't say my measure would address everything related to the term.

Regardless, I never defended hacking. Asserting so is your way of avoiding having to admit that you don't like freedom of the press when it's your tribe being harmed by it. Now fuck off.

 

[CubicleGangster]

Now I feel bad...

my whole family is all mixed races and religions. It’s never been a thing I really considered from my end, as my family would never care about the race of whoever I dated. I just know about the stereotype of the angry white or Asian dad who doesn’t want his daughter dating anyone brown or black. The only time I ever actually experienced racism like that was when I was dating Japanese girls in Japan. I thought generally guys just kinda always got congratulated for getting laid no matter what lmao.

More sexist than racist if anything (on my end). I know I sound stupid and ignorant here but just being honest.

As a white dude who dated brown/black women I never got any shit for it from family or friends. Did get shit for it from random black and brown dudes on occasion. My poor cousin used to date an Egyptian girl whose male family members would seek him out to beat his ass. Took two years of ass beatings before he finally gave up on her.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I used "hack" as shorthand for all their reputed efforts. Among them was taking out ads (specifically on Facebook). In a formal setting I'd have tightened up my terminology, and I didn't say my measure would address everything related to the term.

Um, so when you mentioned the hacking, you weren't referring to the hacking, but rather buying ads? OK, I guess.

Regardless, I never defended hacking. Asserting so is your way of avoiding having to admit that you don't like freedom of the press when it's your tribe being harmed by it. Now fuck off.

Wait, what? Freedom of the press is stealing people's private communications? I guess nice job trying to turn things around after you were caught defending privacy violations in the same post when you were arguing for privacy.

 

[Trotsky]

@curryjunkie I know you're a Scott, but I figured you'd enjoy this as well.

 

[Andy Capp]

@curryjunkie I know you're a Scott, but I figured you'd enjoy this as well.

@curryjunkie isn't Scottish. He's from Irish parents but lives in England and calls himself a plastic paddy, IIRC, though compared to me and @AgonyandIrony he's the salt of the ert in my book.

 

[Trotsky]

@curryjunkie isn't Scottish. He's from Irish parents but lives in England and calls himself a plastic paddy, IIRC, though compared to me and @AgonyandIrony he's the salt of the ert in my book.

That's a common misconception about him. He's actually from Scottish parents but also lives in Scotland and calls himself a butterscotch pudding.

 

[Andy Capp]

That's a common misconception about him. He's actually from Scottish parents but also lives in Scotland and calls himself a butterscotch pudding.

I might be susceptible to being gaslit in certain circumstances, but without evidence I must reject this assertion as a failed attempt. That thing was damned funny in any event, but it is certainly more so to those sympathetic to the treatment of the Irish under British rule no matter where they're from.

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

As a white dude who dated brown/black women I never got any shit for it from family or friends. Did get shit for it from random black and brown dudes on occasion. My poor cousin used to date an Egyptian girl whose male family members would seek him out to beat his ass. Took two years of ass beatings before he finally gave up on her.

 

[CubicleGangster]

Dude fucked up showing up in a Canadien tuxedo

 

[PolishHeadlock2]

Dude fucked up showing up in a Canadien tuxedo

The 90s was a wild time

 

[Lead]

As a white dude who dated brown/black women I never got any shit for it from family or friends. Did get shit for it from random black and brown dudes on occasion. My poor cousin used to date an Egyptian girl whose male family members would seek him out to beat his ass. Took two years of ass beatings before he finally gave up on her.

Similar experience for the first part. If anything, I’d just say there are these weird things people say to overcompensate like “you two are going to have cute babies”. I could just be wrong and it’s said to same race couples just as much but it sure doesn’t feel like that. Not really a big deal though, just always found it amusing.

 

[The Diplomat]

Hello peoples.

 

[Deleted member 405583]

Hello peoples.