Social WR Lounge 326: where are we at?

[Limbo Pete]

I’m just messing around. Last week you said my claims of AI taking jobs was not true and now these people are saying AI will take jobs.

When did I say AI wouldn't take jobs? I remember making fun of you for thinking it would replace human intellect, but this other stuff here is escaping me

 

[Rob Battisti]

Are you disagreeing with the point that the data is incomplete and therefore may not be accurate?

Are you deliberately ignoring the last part of the post?

No I am saying that your argument is “don’t trust the numbers”.

Are you of the position that inflation is dramatically rising due to tariffs but we’re just not seeing it in the data?

 

[Rob Battisti]

When did I say AI wouldn't take jobs? I remember making fun of you for thinking it would replace human intellect, but this other stuff here is escaping me

ASI will replace production which is now produced by human cognition. “Knowledge workers”. Yes.

 

[Limbo Pete]

ASI will replace production which is now produced by human cognition. “Knowledge workers”. Yes.

Amalgamated Grokopedia, ltd. is going to replace human cognition?

 

[Andy Capp]

No I am saying that your argument is “don’t trust the numbers”.

Are you of the position that inflation is dramatically rising due to tariffs but we’re just not seeing it in the data?

lol

Ok Rob. I'm not playing your game. I suggest you go play withyourself instead.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I mean, clearly they must not be doing a good job

Did you consider protections being rolled back due to corporations lobbying politicians? Seems to make more sense than lawmakers getting involved because they think union administrators or employees aren't doing a good job.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Did you consider protections being rolled back due to corporations lobbying politicians? Seems to make more sense than lawmakers getting involved because they think union administrators or employees not doing a good job.

I think it’s a mix. Corrupt unions plus bloodsucking politicians

 

[Rob Battisti]

Amalgamated Grokopedia, ltd. is going to replace human cognition?

At some point we’re going to reach ASI.

I’m going to start a thread but my position is that China is taking a better approach to AI.

They’re focused on narrow AI. Things that give us real world automations. Robotics, manufacturing, education.

We’re in a rush for ASI. ASI takes jobs at a scale we’ve never seen before.

 

[Limbo Pete]

At some point we’re going to reach ASI.

I’m going to start a thread but my position is that China is taking a better approach to AI.

They’re focused on narrow AI. Things that give us real world automations. Robotics, manufacturing, education.

We’re in a rush for ASI. ASI takes jobs at a scale we’ve never seen before.

 

[My Spot]

I haven’t really had any technical issues on desktop but good googly moogly Sherdog is a mess right now on mobile.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Yes. Those are various examples of narrow AI.

Narrow AI can be used to automate things. Narrow AI can be used in education.

This is how China is using AI.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

No I am saying that your argument is “don’t trust the numbers”.

Are you of the position that inflation is dramatically rising due to tariffs but we’re just not seeing it in the data?

The argument is if you're going strictly by the numbers then consider they were gathered under the unusual circumstances outlined below.


"The BLS didn’t collect inflation data for October and was only able to gather data for roughly half of November due to the shutdown, which ran from Oct. 1 to Nov. 12.


That gives the public an incomplete view of how consumer prices have moved in recent months, economists said.

It also may have skewed certain data readings. For example, since the government’s data sample occurred from the middle to end of November, prices for goods may have inadvertently captured more Black Friday sales and looked artificially low, Ryan said."

"“Inflation fell quite sharply,” said Thomas Ryan, a North American economist at Capital Economics.

″[But] I think we’re slightly suspicious of some of these numbers, to be honest,” he said. “It wasn’t a usual month.”"

 

[Limbo Pete]

Yes. Those are various examples of narrow AI.

Narrow AI can be used to automate things. Narrow AI can be used in education.

This is how China is using AI.

Ok, that read like you were saying education would be automated lol

 

[Rob Battisti]

Ok, that read like you were saying education would be automated lol

No. Sorry. Technically we will need way less teachers and less administrators though.

 

[Yoricks Wisdom]

Very strong union.
Retired with full wages and benefits at 50 after a long, productive career helping people.
You’re welcome.

What a great country.

 

[Yehudim]

I chose center-right, but I probably should have chosen right as that’s historically what I was. I just hate the right of today, but in some ways I specifically am further to the right than many, especially philosophically, though not exactly as a matter of practical policy.

 

[Yehudim]

Basically yeah, you're colluding with other workers to set compensation higher than it otherwise would've been.

Unions might be a necessary evil absent the robust public goods and redistribution I mentioned but in a perfect world they're not desirable imo.

I get the logic but I’m surprised that this is one of the reasons you don’t like unions.

My issue with them has primarily been that they often create barriers to entry such as licensing to artificially raise wages.

 

[LangfordBarrow]

I get the logic but I’m surprised that this is one of the reasons you don’t like unions.

My issue with them has primarily been that they often create barriers to entry such as licensing to artificially raise wages.

I guess it depends on the position though. At my company training is given to get qualified for the position after passing a general test to get hired. Positions like watch engineer though require an hvac license to gain entry.

 

[Islam Imamate]

I get the logic but I’m surprised that this is one of the reasons you don’t like unions.

My issue with them has primarily been that they often create barriers to entry such as licensing to artificially raise wages.

I think that's one way unions use collusion to extract rent so I'd file that under the wider case I was making. Resisting automation and insisting on labor intensive approaches just to preserve jobs is another one. Whether it's through artificially increasing the barrier to entry or barring the use of labor-saving machinery in both cases the union is using collective bargaining to demand higher compensation without increased productivity.

 

[Rob Battisti]

I think that's one way unions use collusion to extract rent so I'd file that under the wider case I was making. Resisting automation and insisting on labor intensive approaches just to preserve jobs is another one. Whether it's through artificially increasing the barrier to entry or barring the use of labor-saving machinery in both cases the union is using collective bargaining to demand higher compensation without increased productivity.

The resisting of progress for self preservation is the worst