Social WR lounge 266: the Jon Jones leg of wieners

[John Mabrey]

Ok, I take it all back. I wouldn't want to have a beer with that fella.

 

[tonni]

Mediterranean is a solid choice because it includes the Italian cuisine. Greek, Italian, Spanish...

 

[Lead]

@Lead


You ever get into lower body leg/foot/ankle attacks in BJJ. Once I start going back I want to learn more about these submissions.

Not really. Only spot I like is 411 cause it’s easy to collect their legs and work without having my legs in danger. I think the main finish I do is straight arm locks from side control or mount and then maybe a standard armbar coming in second or maybe kimura. Trying to improve chokes from the back as I get there or turtle often but haven’t had a high rate of it leading to a finish.

 

[tonni]

 

[Gutter Chris]

Have you ever eaten at L'Entrecote Le Renais de Venise? That place was the closest to the Soup Nazi Seinfeld episode I've ever been to.

I remember asking for butter for my bread, and basically being told to fuck off.

 

[Lord Coke]

@Lead


You ever get into lower body leg/foot/ankle attacks in BJJ. Once I start going back I want to learn more about these submissions.

What do you want to know? I spent the pandemic working on my outside toehold.

 

[Gutter Chris]

This poor fucker is single handedly running taco bell

 

[StoneColdSteveAustin]

What do you want to know? I spent the pandemic working on my outside toehold.

There’s nothing specifically I want to know technique wise. I sometimes chat with @Lead about BJJ. I was just curious if he ever got into those techniques. I haven’t done bjj in awhile and was really feeling the drive to get back into it. You guys are way more advanced than I am.

 

[Anung Un Rama]

Indian is the best food in the world, but I don't think I could go 100%.
Went w/ Italian seeing as I my diet is probably 50% pizza as it is. mix it up w/ some pasta and bam.
Mexican is a close 2nd for sustainability.

 

[Deorum]

@Deorum

The previous thread moved too fast for a response to the Duran teaching Sergio Mora some infighting techniques video. Thanks for sharing; I don't think I would have to go out on a limb in saying that the Brawl In Montreal hasn't been matched since in terms of the quality of a boxing match from a purist perspective of two people demonstrating all the great qualities of great boxers in a match - heart, speed, chin, power, strategy etc. Two masters at the near peak of their game (with Duran a couple weight classes / years past it, and Leonard maybe just a touch pre-mature to his prime) It was an extremely "tight" fight in terms of very very few mistakes made by either fighter and not getting hit with things they shouldn't get hit with. It felt like most everything that landed was something that had to be set up with a punch prior.

And you know I've whined before about how the media tried to create this spin of Duran the puncher-brawler and Leonard the twinkly-toes pretty boxer. But reality is Duran over the span of his career was a defensive wizard; just that a big part of his defense was riding punches, and especially when someone's hair flops around when doing it, it can look like you're getting hit when you really aren't, which takes away from Duran's defensive brilliance to the less-trained eyes.

Throw in pretty amazing physical conditioning for the very intense 15 rounds (while Duran seemed to be slowing down a touch toward the end), the fight was peak boxing for the vast majority of the 45 minutes they battled.

I did however get irked by what felt to me an intentional misreading of the scorecards. I mean, if you can't add up a scorecard when you have 10 even rounds on your scorecard, it means you can't count to three. I thought it was done on purpose to create some extra drama which just reeked of unprofessionalism. And I also felt the ridiculous amount of even rounds was a bit of an effort to try to keep Leonard in the fight on the scorecards which is kinda corrupt.

Then I'd add that supposedly after the fight in the ring, Duran knocked out Sugar Ray's brother. However, this bizarre occurrence to my knowledge was never caught on tape, depriving us all of ever seeing it. The last little thing, is announcing the winner in French to a surprisingly pro-Duran crowd (who vociferously booed the 147-147 score read moments before) cheered the final card, it had a certain ring to it.... "Leonard, cent quarante quatre, Duran, cent quarante-cinq, le nouveau champion du monde"... very memorable.... good times.

I think the McCallum and Toney fights come close in terms of being a mutually skilled masterclass. I tend to see McCallum, Kalambay, Nunn and Toney as the less heralded and more underground variation of the "Four Kings" -- biggest difference being that the playing field was actually more level physically. There's just no wanting for technical skill and any of them would be #1 P4P today. The post-Hagler 160 scene goes down as one of the most immensely stacked in the history of the division.

Mike McCallum
Sumbu Kalambay
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Julian Jackson
Herol Graham
Michael Watson
Chris Eubank
Nigel Benn
Steve Collins
Reggie Johnson
Iran Barkley

@LazaRRus @sweetviolenturg

A lot of memorable top fights got made too.

McCallum/Kalambay I
(ATG one-sided masterclass)

Nunn/Kalambay
(shocking one-punch KO)

McCallum/Kalambay II
(ATG tech fest)

Nunn/Toney
(legendary come from behind KO as 20-1 underdog)

McCallum/Toney I
(ATG tactical warfare)

McCallum/Toney II
(tactical with a little less warfare)

For me, Sumbu's talent defensively wouldn't be out of place standing next to a Whitaker, Mayweather or Benitez - albeit with some clear differences - and his win over McCallum (I) is amongst the most impressive performances of all-time, stylistic advantage or not. He was more than a great jab with fluid movement and ring navigational skills; very sound offensively, possessed crisp timing and could be incredibly smooth at getting clean shots off moving in and out of range. I thought Mike did a far better job of utilizing feints in the rematch to draw him in rather than being content to follow him around the ring. And I don't think the first fight is chalked up to inability on Mike's part more than the fact that the guy simply had slow wheels outright juxtaposed with Sumbu's footwork and one of the very few flaws in his game, not one that had a lot to do with deficiencies in his skill set. Graham was challenging for him as well, though he didn't require a rematch.

Nunn is someone I feel is akin to a Meldrick Taylor, not in the sense of the type of fighters they were -- MT was obviously much busier and had faster hands, Nunn more physically gifted for his division in terms of physical attributes, better defense and footwork -- but as a shooting star P4P caliber talent that never fully materialized as an ATG. They were rated about the same as well. Drugs and James Toney (in a fight he was winning) screwed him up, even though he had a fairly respectable career afterwards and was a Roy Jones mandatory at 168 for a fair bit. The fact that Toney went into the fight a 20-1 underdog says far more about the blatant, collective unawareness that was JT's talent but certainly also has to do with just how highly Nunn was thought of at the time.

 

[tonni]

@Trotsky this is too much

 

[sweetviolenturg]

I think the McCallum and Toney fights come close in terms of being a mutually skilled masterclass. I tend to see McCallum, Kalambay, Nunn and Toney as the less heralded and more underground variation of the "Four Kings" -- biggest difference being that the playing field was actually more level physically. There's just no wanting for technical skill and any of them would be #1 P4P today. The post-Hagler 160 scene goes down as one of the most immensely stacked in the history of the division.

Mike McCallum
Sumbu Kalambay
James Toney
Michael Nunn
Julian Jackson
Herol Graham
Michael Watson
Chris Eubank
Nigel Benn
Steve Collins
Reggie Johnson
Iran Barkley

@LazaRRus @sweetviolenturg

A lot of memorable top fights got made too.

McCallum/Kalambay I
(ATG one-sided masterclass)

Nunn/Kalambay
(shocking one-punch KO)

McCallum/Kalambay II
(ATG tech fest)

Nunn/Toney
(legendary come from behind KO as 20-1 underdog)

McCallum/Toney I
(ATG tactical warfare)

McCallum/Toney II
(tactical with a little less warfare)

For me, Sumbu's talent defensively wouldn't be out of place standing next to a Whitaker, Mayweather or Benitez - albeit with some clear differences - and his win over McCallum (I) is amongst the most impressive performances of all-time, stylistic advantage or not. He was more than a great jab with fluid movement and ring navigational skills; very sound offensively, possessed crisp timing and could be incredibly smooth at getting clean shots off moving in and out of range. I thought Mike did a far better job of utilizing feints in the rematch to draw him in rather than being content to follow him around the ring. And I don't think the first fight is chalked up to inability on Mike's part more than the fact that the guy simply had slow wheels outright juxtaposed with Sumbu's footwork and one of the very few flaws in his game, not one that had a lot to do with deficiencies in his skill set. Graham was challenging for him as well, though he didn't require a rematch.

Nunn is someone I feel is akin to a Meldrick Taylor, not in the sense of the type of fighters they were -- MT was obviously much busier and had faster hands, Nunn more physically gifted for his division in terms of physical attributes, better defense and footwork -- but as a shooting star P4P caliber talent that never fully materialized as an ATG. They were rated about the same as well. Drugs and James Toney (in a fight he was winning) screwed him up, even though he had a fairly respectable career afterwards and was a Roy Jones mandatory at 168 for a fair bit. The fact that Toney went into the fight a 20-1 underdog says far more about the blatant, collective unawareness that was JT's talent but certainly also has to do with just how highly Nunn was thought of at the time.

Excellent post, bro. Love it.

I hadn't thought about how rich the post-Hagler era was in a long time. But, in retrospect, it really was something else.

 

[Sketch]

@Trotsky this is too much

Why are you tagging that simpleton?

 

[Sketch]

Indian is the best food in the world, but I don't think I could go 100%.
Went w/ Italian seeing as I my diet is probably 50% pizza as it is. mix it up w/ some pasta and bam.
Mexican is a close 2nd for sustainability.

You're a good guy one of the best.

 

[tonni]

Why are you tagging that simpleton?

You're very grumpy lately. @Trotsky and I are friends. Stop being jealous. Maybe I would engage you more if you weren't so cynical all the time!

 

[Deorum]

Excellent post, bro. Love it.

I hadn't thought about how rich the post-Hagler era was in a long time. But, in retrospect, it really was something else.

 

[Trotsky]

@Trotsky this is too much

That's one of the wildest things I've ever seen

 

[tonni]

That's one of the wildest things I've ever seen

They wait in a queue.

 

[Sketch]

You're very grumpy lately. @Trotsky and I are friends. Stop being jealous. Maybe I would engage you more if you weren't so cynical all the time!

Perhaps you're too young or naive, but I'm actually looking out for you.

 

[Trotsky]

You're very grumpy lately. @Trotsky and I are friends. Stop being jealous. Maybe I would engage you more if you weren't so cynical all the time!

Please refrain from tagging me in the future. I don't care about the pathetic attempts to get my attention.

They wait in a queue.

Weird combo of cute and very creepy imo.