Would you be ok with Shavkat stomping Usman knees?

13Seconds said:
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I felt the same way sir lol
 
azerty said:
never understood the problem with oblique kicks that some people have...it's in the rules, it's a legit technique and it's a fucking fight...is it really just because it's a technique used by jon jones?!
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I loathe Jon Jones and I still see it as legit sir.
 
StonedLemur said:
I love Rampage and have forever, but he steps very heavy on that front foot and makes himself a target for that very technique.

Also the little crybabies calling it a "career ender" can kiss my ass, because I have been watching this shit since its inception and can't recall a single instance of a career being ended by that technique.

Its a fight, injuries can happen at any moment from any technique.
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I would ALWAYS use techniques that end peoples career if I were a fighter. Then people will be scared to fight you. And that person makes the most money.
 
azerty said:
never understood the problem with oblique kicks that some people have...it's in the rules, it's a legit technique and it's a fucking fight...is it really just because it's a technique used by jon jones?!
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Because there is nuance to this debate even if you can't see it.

I don't think fighters should use them. But I also don't think they should face a lynch mob for using a legal technique either.

Jon Jones was largely correct when he said it's hard to make a moral judgement on these kicks when they are legal and the other guy is trying to give you brain damage.

But ideas of sportsmanship transcend explicit rules for a reason. Fighters may have a collective interest in it not being seen as acceptable to try to trash each other's knees, because it could easily happen to them. That's where the concept of 'dirty even if legal' comes from.

Was Keith Hackney doing anything against the rules when he smashed Joe Son's balls? No. But I think many of us would agree it was a pretty shitty thing to do (before we knew what a piece of shit Joe Son was at least), even if some don't.

That example shows that something being dirty is not necessarily defined by the current state of regulation.
 
if the officials, commission or UFC themselves haven't done anything about it up to this point why would it be any different just because a guy on the downside of his career with bad knees be treated any differently?
stomp the fuck out of them and finish with some 12 to 6 elbows i say.
 
ninja boot said:
if the officials, commission or UFC themselves haven't done anything about it up to this point why would it be any different just because a guy on the downside of his career with bad knees be treated any differently?
stomp the fuck out of them and finish with some 12 to 6 elbows i say.
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And when he's on his hands and feet...knee em a few times lol
 
Daniel Henry said:
I stand corrected. That shit need to be banned he folded the guy
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Should we ban head kicks too...Terry Etim was running into buses after Edson wheel kicked his head off.

Or how about Kimuras, should we ban that too because Big Nog was never the same after Frank Mir snapped his arm...still has problems with it.

You guys sre softer than baby shit, please go watch something else that don't offend your delicate sensibilities sir.
 
Dr Fong said:
Because there is nuance to this debate even if you can't see it.

I don't think fighters should use them. But I also don't think they should face a lynch mob for using a legal technique either.

Jon Jones was largely correct when he said it's hard to make a moral judgement on these kicks when they are legal and the other guy is trying to give you brain damage.

But ideas of sportsmanship transcend explicit rules for a reason. Fighters may have a collective interest in it not being seen as acceptable to try to trash each other's knees, because it could easily happen to them. That's where the concept of 'dirty even if legal' comes from.

Was Keith Hackney doing anything against the rules when he smashed Joe Son's balls? No. But I think many of us would agree it was a pretty shitty thing to do (before we knew what a piece of shit Joe Son was at least), even if some don't.

That example shows that something being dirty is not necessarily defined by the current state of regulation.
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Sportsmanship is fine, but I think we should ban ALL techniques because someone can get seriously hurt...smh.

Fuck it, we should do the USC ...the Ultimate Staring Championship
 
It would not be nice to build a game plan around what attack would be most likely to cause a life or career altering injury. It's a strange grey area where it's sportsmanlike to spare an opponent if possible, but not unsportsman like if you don't.

However these guys are not in the nice business. Shavkat's job is to defeat his opponent by any means within the rules. Usman's job is to protect himself. The commission, the promotion, the corner, the ring doctor, and the ABC have some responsibility to protect the fighters from undue risk.

The only people NOT responsible for protecting Usman are Shavkat and his team.
 
jx820 said:
It would not be nice to build a game plan around what attack would be most likely to cause a life or career altering injury. It's a strange grey area where it's sportsmanlike to spare an opponent if possible, but not unsportsman like if you don't.

However these guys are not in the nice business. Shavkat's job is to defeat his opponent by any means within the rules. Usman's job is to protect himself. The commission, the promotion, the corner, the ring doctor, and the ABC have some responsibility to protect the fighters from undue risk.

The only people NOT responsible for protecting Usman are Shavkat and his team.
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Well, not Shavkat fault that Usman has been very open about his bad knees. Going for "hey it's a major weakness, please dont exploit" is kinda dumb
 
azerty said:
never understood the problem with oblique kicks that some people have...it's in the rules, it's a legit technique and it's a fucking fight...is it really just because it's a technique used by jon jones?!
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No. That's not why ppl have a problem with it.
 
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