Social World Hijab Day.

[Devout Pessimist]

They have no less dignity than women in our society who dress like whores.

Why? Me too? Mike Pence? You can't be alone with a woman. They should be locked away and protected. Islam was ahead of the trend here. They saw Me Too coming. Islam at least admits it is uncomfortable with sex and desire. The west pretends it is comfortable.

One area that most religions get correct is the placing of proper boundaries between the sexes and understanding the potential destructiveness of irresponsible sexual behaviour. Secular societies would be wise to at least consider what religions have to say about sex. As you have pointed out in your post, this hedonistic, irreverent, anything goes nonsense does not seem to be working very well.

 

[JonesBones]

One area that most religions get correct is the placing of proper boundaries between the sexes and understanding the potential destructiveness of irresponsible sexual behaviour. Secular societies would be wise to at least consider what religions have to say about sex. As you have pointed out in your post, this hedonistic, irreverent, anything goes nonsense does not seem to be working very well.

As Kant said: "Sexuality, therefore, exposes mankind to the danger of equality with the beasts." He died a virgin btw.

Taken by itself it is a degradation of human nature; for as soon as a person becomes an object of appetite for another, all motives of moral relationship cease to function, because as an object of appetite for another a person becomes a thing and can be treated and used as such by every one. This is the only case in which a human being is designed by nature as the object of another’s enjoyment. Sexual desire is at the root of it; and that is why we are ashamed of it, and why all strict moralists and those who had pretensions to be regarded as saints, sought to suppress and extirpate it. It is true that without it a man would be incomplete; he would rightly believe that he lacked the necessary organs, and this would make him imperfect as a human being; nonetheless men made pretence on this question and sought to suppress these inclinations because they degraded mankind.

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

There is a large difference between the mandatory clothing and attitude for people that joy monastic orders as adults and a religion that teaches you will lead men to hell if you don't cover yourself.
Catholic priests are also celibate, but how bizarre would it be if catholicism preached that all men should be celibate?
Moreover, the outrage in the thread isn't about muslims wearing veils but how it's now being celebrated by secular supposedly enlightened westerners. The same people that use traditional christian clothing as a symbolism for oppression.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

As Kant said: "Sexuality, therefore, exposes mankind to the danger of equality with the beasts." He died a virgin btw.

Taken by itself it is a degradation of human nature; for as soon as a person becomes an object of appetite for another, all motives of moral relationship cease to function, because as an object of appetite for another a person becomes a thing and can be treated and used as such by every one. This is the only case in which a human being is designed by nature as the object of another’s enjoyment. Sexual desire is at the root of it; and that is why we are ashamed of it, and why all strict moralists and those who had pretensions to be regarded as saints, sought to suppress and extirpate it. It is true that without it a man would be incomplete; he would rightly believe that he lacked the necessary organs, and this would make him imperfect as a human being; nonetheless men made pretence on this question and sought to suppress these inclinations because they degraded mankind.

That is an excellent quote. I Googled it and learned that Kant had an entire lecture on sex. Here is more:


The desire which a man has for a woman is not directed towards her because she is a human being, but because she is a woman; that she is a human being is of no concern to the man; only her sex is the object of his desires. Human nature is thus subordinated. Hence it comes that all men and women do their best to make not their human nature but their sex more alluring and direct their activities and lusts entirely towards sex. Human nature is thereby sacrificed to sex. If then a man wishes to satisfy his desire, and a woman hers, they stimulate each other’s desire; their inclinations meet, but their object is not human nature but sex, and each of them dishonors the human nature of the other.

Source: Duties towards the Body in Respect of Sexual Impulse

 

[svirk]

Because with Muslims it is FORCED

Every community has standards of dress that are legally enforced. These standards generally effect women because the vast majority of men have only a weak desire to put themselves on display. Women are the ones who must wrestle with their desire to put themselves on display. Low class and immoral women will put themselves on display in the manner of prostitutes when allowed to do so. Men, much more so than women, are predatory and easily aroused. Low class and immoral men prefer women to be as scantily or provocatively dressed as possible. A society that recognizes these weaknesses in human nature will put into effect laws and rules that may counter the worst consequences resulting from those weaknesses. In the West we see the #MeToo movement resulting from the worst nature in men. With women we see the emotional stress that they practically all face, feeling the need to compete at being an object for display. Plastic surgeries, body dysmorphia, depression, anorexia and even suicide are not only extreme results but common ends of a society that has allowed this weakness to be encouraged.

It could be said that forcing women to wear a full black covering in the manner of Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia is extreme but the allowable dress code in the West is also an extreme.

Example, two equal hosts of a popular countrywide morning news show in America.

 

[Post 2 Decision]

Every community has standards of dress that are legally enforced. These standards generally effect women because the vast majority of men have only a weak desire to put themselves on display. Women are the ones who must wrestle with their desire to put themselves on display. Low class and immoral women will put themselves on display in the manner of prostitutes when allowed to do so. Men, much more so than women, are predatory and easily aroused. Low class and immoral men prefer women to be as scantily or provocatively dressed as possible. A society that recognizes these weaknesses in human nature will put into effect laws and rules that may counter the worst consequences resulting from those weaknesses. In the West we see the #MeToo movement resulting from the worst nature in men. With women we see the emotional stress that they practically all face, feeling the need to compete at being an object for display. Plastic surgeries, body dysmorphia, depression, anorexia and even suicide are not only extreme results but common ends of a society that has allowed this weakness to be encouraged.

It could be said that forcing women to wear a full black covering in the manner of Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia is extreme but the allowable dress code in the West is also an extreme.

Example, two equal hosts of a popular countrywide morning news show in America.

Lol don't give me that shit

A dude can wear a miniskirt if he really wanted to

There's even nudist colonies if you're into that lifestyle


Forcing one gender to cover their face or else they are beaten and imprisoned is ridiculous

 

[svirk]

Lol don't give me that shit

A dude can wear a miniskirt if he really wanted to

There's even nudist colonies if you're into that lifestyle


Forcing one gender to cover their face or else they are beaten and imprisoned is ridiculous

"Dudes", can wear miniskirts if they want to and, in the West, are increasingly choosing that option. Some of the more enlightened parents in the West are even dressing their boys up in miniskirts in order to help them discover who they really are. I'm completely against forcing anyone to cover their face under threat of violence but witnessing the path the West is on might make me reconsider.

 

[Devout Pessimist]

Every community has standards of dress that are legally enforced. These standards generally effect women because the vast majority of men have only a weak desire to put themselves on display. Women are the ones who must wrestle with their desire to put themselves on display. Low class and immoral women will put themselves on display in the manner of prostitutes when allowed to do so. Men, much more so than women, are predatory and easily aroused. Low class and immoral men prefer women to be as scantily or provocatively dressed as possible. A society that recognizes these weaknesses in human nature will put into effect laws and rules that may counter the worst consequences resulting from those weaknesses. In the West we see the #MeToo movement resulting from the worst nature in men. With women we see the emotional stress that they practically all face, feeling the need to compete at being an object for display. Plastic surgeries, body dysmorphia, depression, anorexia and even suicide are not only extreme results but common ends of a society that has allowed this weakness to be encouraged.

It could be said that forcing women to wear a full black covering in the manner of Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia is extreme but the allowable dress code in the West is also an extreme.

Example, two equal hosts of a popular countrywide morning news show in America.

Great post! There is not enough discussion regarding the West's ideas of "sexual liberation" and the consequences of that so-called liberation. I believe it was Peter Hitchens who said the only winners of the free love movement were opportunistic male perverts.

Interesting debate on the sexual revolution you may be interested in listening to if you feel up to it.

@4:48 Moderator: What does the sexual revolution mean to you?
Peter Hitchens: "The liberation of selfish and unpleasant men dressed up as the liberation of women and a catastrophe for women and men who are not selfish and generally a huge moral, culture and social disaster for our civilization"

 

[VivaRevolution]

This conversation always cracks me up.

The idea behind the hijab is men can't be expected not to rape if women are uncovered.

Someone defend that shit. Don't talk to me about choice, and culture. Defend the reason the hijab exists.

 

[VivaRevolution]

Every community has standards of dress that are legally enforced. These standards generally effect women because the vast majority of men have only a weak desire to put themselves on display. Women are the ones who must wrestle with their desire to put themselves on display. Low class and immoral women will put themselves on display in the manner of prostitutes when allowed to do so. Men, much more so than women, are predatory and easily aroused. Low class and immoral men prefer women to be as scantily or provocatively dressed as possible. A society that recognizes these weaknesses in human nature will put into effect laws and rules that may counter the worst consequences resulting from those weaknesses. In the West we see the #MeToo movement resulting from the worst nature in men. With women we see the emotional stress that they practically all face, feeling the need to compete at being an object for display. Plastic surgeries, body dysmorphia, depression, anorexia and even suicide are not only extreme results but common ends of a society that has allowed this weakness to be encouraged.

It could be said that forcing women to wear a full black covering in the manner of Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia is extreme but the allowable dress code in the West is also an extreme.

Example, two equal hosts of a popular countrywide morning news show in America.

Yeah, no.

We value liberty in the west. You can fuck off with your dark ages fascism.

Freedom and liberty are messy, and many times have very bad outcomes.

Fascism has worse outcomes. No one needs you to protect them from themselves. That is a lie to tell yourself to justify taking someone's free will.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

 

[VivaRevolution]

It's Allahzilla.

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

Yeah, no.

We value liberty in the west. You can fuck off with your dark ages fascism.

Freedom and liberty are messy, and many times have very bad outcomes.

Fascism has worse outcomes. No one needs you to protect them from themselves. That is a lie to tell yourself to justify taking someone's free will.

we can't walk around with our dicks flopping around in America. I guess I'm oppressed.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

 

[VivaRevolution]

we can't walk around with our dicks flopping around in America. I guess I'm oppressed.

Oh yes, not wearing any clothes, and being told how you can dress by law, under threat of violence is the same thing.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

 

[VivaRevolution]

"Dudes", can wear miniskirts if they want to and, in the West, are increasingly choosing that option. Some of the more enlightened parents in the West are even dressing their boys up in miniskirts in order to help them discover who they really are. I'm completely against forcing anyone to cover their face under threat of violence but witnessing the path the West is on might make me reconsider.

Yup, and I would take that shit any day of the week over honor killings. That shit is barbaric, for for barbarians.

 

[M3t4tr0n]

we can't walk around with our dicks flopping around in America. I guess I'm oppressed.

I bird might come by and fly away with it

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

Oh yes, not wearing any clothes, and being told how you can dress by law, under threat of violence is the same thing.

to an amazonian indigenous person, yes. its all cultural, bro. Walk around naked and you will get denied your personal freedom.

 

[Gandhi]

Ban the burqua but the hijab is hawt hawt hawt

That’s what this is about right?

I believe so my good sir, allow me to contribute.

Now this thread is going places!!!!!!

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