wing chun or muy thai for self defense

[Wang Chung]

i'd say to do Muay Thai.
i've been practicing WC for the past year and a half, and had just began doing some MT.
A lot of WC places are REALLY REALLY watered down, and you wouldn't be learning anything worthwhile. Plus theres different learning curves in each of the arts, so like others have said, let your friend try things out to get his feet wet first.

 

[nobleblack626]

Ok I'm really wondering the skill set of the people that picking up muay thai is easy. It's alot more than throwing a popular kick, knee, elbow etc here and there.

 

[mjw1]

Whatever you do make sure you have a good instructor and your not getting a watered down version or art thats a given......

 

[chewabacca]

Man, I'd love to develop a self defence course, although I'd be criticized for my teachings.

Strictly self defence, as in someone attacks you and you want to handle the situation quickly, do Krav Maga. Groin kicks are the most effective self defense move in the world.

If he wants to learn how to fight clean, however, I'd recommend boxing over anything. Good movement and being able to get 1 effective combination in is all it takes to end a drunken brawl.

Source: Had terrible boxing and ran in straight in 2 fights and got caught a few times. If I was aware and knew to move first I could've ended it quickly.

 

[HumanBender]

I train in Muay Thai primarily and do Krav a couple times a week as well.
For pure self-defense do Krav Maga.
For a more ass kicking (offensive) defense approach go Muay Thai.

The only problem with Muay Thai as self-defense is that its a very offensive art and you only strike. You never train in illegal moves and you NEVER train in choke, bear hug, and ground defense.

Honestly though, your best bet is to try a little of everything and see which fits you best. I used to do BJJ only but tried out Boxing, Muay Thai and Krav Maga. Over the past year I have fallen in love with the striking arts. Couldn't be happier :icon_chee

BJJ for ground defense and "dirty" moves dont need traning. If youre good at Muay Thai you can easily add the dirty tricks in because those come naturally. People were poking eyes, stabbing, and biting before any martial claimed ownership on dirty tricks.

Muay Thai vs Wing Chun? Why is this even a question? Muay Thai is the answer.

A good way to win a fight is to sucker punch the guy. Dont ever let it get to pushing, shoving or anything like that. If a guy comes up in your face talking shit just throw a right cross and shut him up. Stomp his teeth in when hes down too. No words just action.

 

[LEGS MAHONEY]

Ok I'm really wondering the skill set of the people that picking up muay thai is easy. It's alot more than throwing a popular kick, knee, elbow etc here and there.

i generally think there are alot of plain ole american kickboxers claiming to teach mauy thai and they do so by mimicing the poplar kick, knee, elbow etc,etc and teaching them to their students

 

[HumanBender]

i generally think there are alot of plain ole american kickboxers claiming to teach mauy thai and they do so by mimicing the poplar kick, knee, elbow etc,etc and teaching them to their students

There are a lot of non Muay Thai guys teaching "Muay Thai."

 

[mjw1]

There are a lot of non Muay Thai guys teaching "Muay Thai."

There is the sport itself where one adaps kickboxing or whatever to it and it is them sport muay thai so to speak???

Then there is traditional muay thai???

 

[Nefron]

Wing Chun is good for patty cake or MAYBE beating untrained drunk morons.

Muay Thai is good for beating trained opponents.

 

[SAAMAG]

Wing Chun is good for patty cake or MAYBE beating untrained drunk morons.

Muay Thai is good for beating trained opponents.

Spoken like a true moron. You've obviously never fought anyone who was worth a shit. More so, I'd say you probably have never fought at all. But if you do, go fight someone that hasn't been doing wing chun or 3 months and training properly and you'll be playing patty cake with your face. Though to be fair the average MT guy will perform better than the average wing chun guy in terms of training time because the amount of sparring/conditioning/live drills being done.

The long and short of it is that they're both good arts. One is a straight up ring sport derived from a cultural fighting art, one is a more encompassing art that deals with more than just fighting. There will always be vary levels of skill in either art as well, as there are guys that I can fight while thinking about what I'm going to eat for lunch tomorrow, and there are guys that make me throw up my lunch that I ate earlier in the day.

So for self defense, you get out of it what you put into it. Just because you know muay thai or wing chun individually doesn't guarantee anything in the real world.

 

[Nefron]

One is a straight up ring sport derived from a cultural fighting art, one is a more encompassing art that deals with more than just fighting.

Wing Chun seems to deal with anything but fighting.

 

[SAAMAG]

Wing Chun seems to deal with anything but fighting.

You're entitled to your opinion. But I'd advise you actually learn about a system before trying to pose like you know anything about it, let alone pass judgement on it.

Because it's obvious to me that you haven't trained in it. I also question your fighting experience at all, because anyone that's fought more than just people in their circle knows that most systems have some merit.

I've gone up against plenty of traditional martial artists who could hold their own just as well as a competition art-guy like boxing, muay thai, or BJJ.

If you're going to pretend you know how to fight and make childish remarks about systems you know nothing about Bullshido is just a few keystrokes away.

 

[UFile]

I always say this....for pure self defense do Krav Maga.

Groin kicks, hammer fists, elbows to the back of the head, weapon defense, takedown defense, headlock defense, bearhug defense.....these are all taught in Krav Maga.
This hybrid art literally only teaches defense techniques and only teaches the ones that work.

The hardest part of this martial art is finding a legit teacher + school.

p.s. To answer your original question, Muay Thai is the better option than WC.

Krav Maga teaches you how to hand over your wallet and thats about it.

Get him into Muay Thai.

 

[Nefron]

If you're going to pretend you know how to fight and make childish remarks about systems you know nothing about Bullshido is just a few keystrokes away.

The expert to retard ratio on Bullshido is much higher than on Sherdog so please STFU.

 

[vorpal_]

wow, i wonder why a tma practitioner doesn't like bullshido and claims that only kids go there

 

[SAAMAG]

The expert to retard ratio on Bullshido is much higher than on Sherdog so please STFU.

Oh yes...they're experts alright. Again that shows exactly what level you're at to have such a high opinion of guys who have more hours posturing and talking shit on the internet than actually training. There's more parroting there then in a pet shop full of birds. But while there's a few people there that have real experience and intellect, most do not.

Here's a simple solution for you though...try training instead of posting. Perhaps then it will increase your knowledge in what you pretend to know about.

 

[SAAMAG]

wow, i wonder why a tma practitioner doesn't like bullshido and claims that only kids go there

So much for the no child left behind act. Read much? Try knowing who you're talking about and perhaps understanding what's written before you speak. Because I don't identify with only "traditional" arts nor did I say only kids hang out on there. There's tons of adults who make childish and uneducated remarks.

 

[vorpal_]

So much for the no child left behind act. Read much? Try knowing who you're talking about and perhaps understanding what's written before you speak. Because I don't identify with only "traditional" arts nor did I say only kids hang out on there. There's tons of adults who make childish and uneducated remarks.

i'm glad you picked up on me not actually reading the majority of you rambling in here. i did read enough to know that you're defending wing chun which means you probably have a learning disability of some sort

 

[SAAMAG]

i'm glad you picked up on me not actually reading the majority of you rambling in here. i did read enough to know that you're defending wing chun which means you probably have a learning disability of some sort

I don't defend wing chun as a whole...because there's a lot of crap out there. What I do "defend" if that's what you want to call it, is when someone says something that is misleading about what CAN be derived from the art--like saying its useless. There are a few wing chun guys I know that would be able to put a person's teeth through their mouth and there'd be nothing that could be done about it. When I personally spar/fight, I don't use one system per say, I switch from one system to another depending on where the fight takes me, and I don't do it like I stand differently, I just apply things differently and use what I know works in the various ranges and situations [for me].

The thing is that lots of people like to pass judgement before they learn about what it is they're talking about. Case in point---within the wing chun circles, there's lots of in-fighting about how this or that should be done. When I hear something that is different than my perspective, while I may not agree with it at first, I try it out in contact sparring. I learn more about the method, then I make a judgement on whether or not it worked for me. I just don't parrot or bandwagon on what other's say. Therein lies the difference.

The moral of the story is don't talk about which you know nothing about first hand (because there's always someone that does know more about the subject and will call you out on it).

 

[Hanoi Rox]

I always say this....for pure self defense do Krav Maga.

Groin kicks, hammer fists, elbows to the back of the head, weapon defense, takedown defense, headlock defense, bearhug defense.....these are all taught in Krav Maga.
This hybrid art literally only teaches defense techniques and only teaches the ones that work.

The hardest part of this martial art is finding a legit teacher + school.

p.s. To answer your original question, Muay Thai is the better option than WC.

The other thing about Krav Maga is that its Self Defense, not fighting. There's a certified Krav Maga teacher who trains at my old BJJ school and he said a lot of the techniques are to protect yourself long enough to get away from the danger.