Will Badr Hari ever win a fight again?

He's done. He was the most violent man back in the Day in Kickboxing kinda Tyson in Boxing but always a quitter when things went wrong. Remember the Samedov 3 Fight where Samedov would have rather died than taking another L and Badr just searched a way out.

Not a big Fan but still sad to see him like that. A real legend to the golden era of this sport.
 
I have mixed feelings about him. On the one hand, I despise arrogant people like him in the ring and outside the ring also. He has done some despicable things like beating his girlfriend, punching hotel employee and so on. I certainly would not like to be in his presence. On the other hand, I have so many memories watching him and other legends on Euro sport late at night. I remember thinking to myself, daam this guy is my age and he is kicking serious butt. It would be painful to watch him leave like this. I still believe that he is a good fighter nowdays. Let`s look at his stats in the Beny fight, before the TKO: 2 judges 20/17 for Badr and 1 Judge 19/18 for Badr. His problem is that he cannot absorb punches...I dont`t know if the problem is psychological or medical (consequences of long steroid use).
 
Kanka said:
What do yo think?

Of course i mean against somewhat of a high level opponent, not complete can
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Badr is very unreliable. He was kicking major ass in the last 2 Rico fights before getting unlucky twice. In fact, in the remacth he was beating the fuckin shit out of Rico before that failed cartwheel stuff.

In that last fight this W-E it looked like he came for a paycheck.
 
wtu85 said:
I have mixed feelings about him. On the one hand, I despise arrogant people like him in the ring and outside the ring also. He has done some despicable things like beating his girlfriend, punching hotel employee and so on. I certainly would not like to be in his presence. On the other hand, I have so many memories watching him and other legends on Euro sport late at night. I remember thinking to myself, daam this guy is my age and he is kicking serious butt. It would be painful to watch him leave like this. I still believe that he is a good fighter nowdays. Let`s look at his stats in the Beny fight, before the TKO: 2 judges 20/17 for Badr and 1 Judge 19/18 for Badr. His problem is that he cannot absorb punches...I dont`t know if the problem is psychological or medical (consequences of long steroid use).
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I don't understand people like you. Have you trained in full combat sports, especially kick-boxing? It is not good surroundings. It does not attract only good guys. Combat sports, practitioners, gym owners and promoters are ridden with thugs, organised crime and street gangs. Prize fighters on average are not the honourable, quiet warriors like we were raised to see in Hollywood movies. Not every athlete is GSP.

So why is everybody surprised when prize fighters do shit that us, normal people, would not do? Seriously this is embarrassing.
 
KBE6EKCTAH_CCP said:
I don't understand people like you. Have you trained in full combat sports, especially kick-boxing? It is not good surroundings. It does not attract only good guys. Combat sports, practitioners, gym owners and promoters are ridden with thugs, organised crime and street gangs. Prize fighters on average are not the honourable, quiet warriors like we were raised to see in Hollywood movies. Not every athlete is GSP.

So why is everybody surprised when prize fighters do shit that us, normal people, would not do? Seriously this is embarrassing.
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Like everywhere else, there is bad and good people. I trained at around eight different Muay Thai/MMA/boxing gyms and can't say they were mostly bad people. Even if they were, it doesn't mean one should be supportive about it.
 
Kanka said:
Like everywhere else, there is bad and good people. I trained at around eight different Muay Thai/MMA/boxing gyms and can't say they were mostly bad people. Even if they were, it doesn't mean one should be supportive about it.
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there is a nuance between being supportive and just not calling it out.
 
Kanka said:
Like everywhere else, there is bad and good people. I trained at around eight different Muay Thai/MMA/boxing gyms and can't say they were mostly bad people. Even if they were, it doesn't mean one should be supportive about it.
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Oh and not that I am looking for an argument / derail the thread, but I would be very, very surprised if in your 8 different gyms you did not find a higher % of shitty people than in the general population. I have trained in more than 8 MMA/KB/MT gyms in 3 different countries and while most people are really cool inside the gym, there is no question that the criminal element of society is usually better represented in such places. I can't even imagine how anyone can refuse that without blushing.
 
KBE6EKCTAH_CCP said:
Oh and not that I am looking for an argument / derail the thread, but I would be very, very surprised if in your 8 different gyms you did not find a higher % of shitty people than in the general population. I have trained in more than 8 MMA/KB/MT gyms in 3 different countries and while most people are really cool inside the gym, there is no question that the criminal element of society is usually better represented in such places. I can't even imagine how anyone can refuse that without blushing.
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So the logic is that if he criminal rate is higher than the rest of society, we should just embrace it? A shitty person is a shitty person regardless.
 
Kanka said:
So the logic is that if he criminal rate is higher than the rest of society, we should just embrace it? A shitty person is a shitty person regardless.
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No, the logic is that we must not apply the standards that we would apply to our friends / surroundings / family / colleagues / neighbors to prize fighters because that is very naive to start with.

Context is important.
 
KBE6EKCTAH_CCP said:
No, the logic is that we must not apply the standards that we would apply to our friends / surroundings / family / colleagues / neighbors to prize fighters because that is very naive to start with.

Context is important.
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Im sure you would change your mind if it was one of your relatives that got assaulted by him.
 
Kanka said:
Im sure you would change your mind if it was one of your relatives that got assaulted by him.
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YOu are missing the point. He is a crappy human being no question. Just saying that we don't need to mention it religiously every time his name comes up, because it should not come at a surprise that prize fighters tend to be thugs in the first place. But I think we have argued this upside down already and it is not important that we agree.
 
KBE6EKCTAH_CCP said:
YOu are missing the point. He is a crappy human being no question. Just saying that we don't need to mention it religiously every time his name comes up, because it should not come at a surprise that prize fighters tend to be thugs in the first place. But I think we have argued this upside down already and it is not important that we agree.
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It should not come as a surprised that people mention it either. Goes both ways
 
Kanka said:
His fans are the worst loud-mouthers in all of kickboxing so only good if there is some balance
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You saw how civilized are the Romanian fans, exactly like in the US-EU. It wasn"t even worth convincing Moroccans of anything, just laugh at the end.

Now the rhetoric of Badr"s army is that Adegbuyi is a very good fighter, but Hari is also the strongest on the planet, over Schilt and over the champion Glory where he lost twice.
 
I really don"t care about Badr"s character, the problem is that in 2018 at the match with Gerges he was doped. They were both. They are long-term cheaters, not only in their last years of their 30s.
 
To be fair the sport in general, ESPECIALLY the tail end of FEG K-1 when Overeem won the WGP, has been riddled with steroids. Everyone was juiced to the max. I'm not sure that the sport is more tested now but on eye test it doesn't seem as rampant. Rico surprisingly has never failed a test he may actually just have crazy genetics.
 
KBE6EKCTAH_CCP said:
I don't understand people like you. Have you trained in full combat sports, especially kick-boxing? It is not good surroundings. It does not attract only good guys. Combat sports, practitioners, gym owners and promoters are ridden with thugs, organised crime and street gangs. Prize fighters on average are not the honourable, quiet warriors like we were raised to see in Hollywood movies. Not every athlete is GSP.

So why is everybody surprised when prize fighters do shit that us, normal people, would not do? Seriously this is embarrassing.
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Agree with everything but the last part, all you say is true as I can say from personal experience but I do not think anyone here is suprised we just call out dogshit behavior from people who serve as public figures.
Especially someone like Badr who was millions of young men looking up to him should display some humbleness and decency at least once in a while. I like Badr as a fighter and got hype everytime his Bad Boy song started back in the day but guy been a piece of shit and his fanbase is probably the most annoying and arrogant one in Fighting sports.
FFS there is some people who claim Badr NEVER took any steroids, the guy was suspended in 2018 for doping and in 2012 if I remmeber correctly he was busted by the police with large amounts of it at his residence, he deserves all the criticism in the world and as long as there is the BADR ARMY there will be people who call out his bullshit and expose the fuck shit he does on a regular bases.
Latest example walking out the arena and even refusing to shake hands with Adegbuyi that has nothing to do with being a Thug or whatever that is entitled Manchild behavior and not popular anywhere in the world except with tribalistic people who are blind cause of their admiration for him.
 
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