Why we will never see this fabled "New Breed"

[cmw43]

Duffee and Shwab will smash Cain and JDS
Member?

Those guys are all between 32-35, they're the same era.

 

[vcmmafan]

The new breed is the one that started straining MMA as a young child instead of doing a single art then transitioning

 

[Drew Peasack]

Bj grew up in Hawaii, different culture compared to mainland United States. All he wanted to do was prove he's the best fighter in the world. Comparing Sage to Bruce Lee who wasn't a MMA fighter is embarrassing your part, Matt Hughes would push Northcutts shit in.

even then . he is known to quit and be lazy in the gym

 

[theTKDguy]

it looked more like. "my nose hurts so bad I cant keep going" his nose was busted up and lawler hit him with another on the nose and he just sat

He just sat

 

[what-wut]

I think we have better striking in mma compared to the old days. Guys like max n conor are way better then the past generation of strikers imo.

 

[Organic Damage]

Been saying it for a while, this new breed is using MMA as a platform to build there brand or to become popular.

The old guard gave little fucks about money and was doing to prove they are the best in the world. Don't get me wrong, money is also a good motivator for a better fighter but Struggle breeds greatness.

So you're saying that narcissistic, entitled millennials are ruining everything again?

I don't buy the "old guard" myth. Even though Perry lost, he exemplifies that blood & guts mentality people complain is vanishing from the sport. IMO the fact that more money is to be made will only broaden the talent pool. If those newcomers lack grit they will be weeded out.

 

[yeguiza]

TS should keep lurking and avoid logging in

 

[Drew Peasack]

TS should keep lurking and avoid logging in

take your own advice, ho

 

[TheAmericanGazelle]

There is a tendency for geezers to romanticize the past because they have some sort of personal and emotional investment in a bygone era.

Their thinking is very female-like and emotional, as opposed to being objective and rational like a man.

According to geezers, the NBA hit it's peak in 1950, and Royce Gracie is the greatest fighter in history...because grrrrrrr.....toughness!

Pretty sad.

 

[Spookv]

So you're saying that narcissistic, entitled millennials are ruining everything again?

I don't buy the "old guard" myth. Even though Perry lost, he exemplifies that blood & guts mentality people complain is vanishing from the sport. IMO the fact that more money is to be made will only broaden the talent pool. If those newcomers lack grit they will be weeded out.

Not really saying millennials, but there are some where there mindset isn't all about fighting. Perry is alright but not my cup of tea. Max Holloway is more exemplifies it more & his peers recognizes it also.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

Im talking about guys training MMA as a whole since youth, Fedore trained those martial arts then sort of brought them together. nowadays guys have mma training. then they go to bjj class, kickboxing class, wboxing and wrestling class

Sometimes they don't learn the fundamentals because MMA is so broad and has to cover so much. I really can't think of any "new breed" guy other than Rory that grew up training MMA. And he couldn't beat Lawler, an old school guy, and Wonderboy, a karate based fighter.

Fedor lost at age 33, 34 and 40.

Cain lost at 29 and 32 and doesn't even fight anymore...

Stipe lost at 30 and 32 and was dropped in his last fight. His decline may be coming...

GSP lost at age 25 and 27. He retired at 32 after Hendricks kicked his ass and has only come back to beat a 38 year old Bisping since then.

Conor lost at 20, 22 and 28. You know damn well Conor is NOT beating anyone decent at age 33. Conor has already been fighting for about 10 years. He technically should be about to start declining.


Pioneer? Subpar era? Are you stupid? The mid 2000s HW division was far deeper and far more talented than today's HW landscape. Today we have guys in the top 10 that have only trained martial arts for 4 years. There were more skilled and more well rounded heavyweights 12 years ago.

Today at 12:55 PM

+ QUOTE REPLY
is a tendency for geezers to romanticize the past because they have some sort of personal and emotional investment in a bygone era.

Their thinking is very female-like and emotional, as opposed to being objective and rational like a man.

According to geezers, the NBA hit it's peak in 1950, and Royce Gracie is the greatest fighter in history...because grrrrrrr.....toughness!

Pretty sad.

Nobody is saying that.

The NBA hit its peak in the 80s and 90s and went downhill in the 2000s (other than the Spurs who are always ahead of the curve yet play an old school style.)

Royce is not the GOAT. The GOATs came in the 2000s, not the 90s. Guys like Fedor, Nog, Shogun, Wanderlei, Machida, Anderson, GSP....those are the GOATS. Now RDA and DJ and TJ are the best of the next era (although RDA has fought since 2004)

 

[TheAmericanGazelle]

The NBA hit its peak in the 80s and 90s and went downhill in the 2000s (other than the Spurs who are always ahead of the curve yet play an old school style.)

Royce is not the GOAT. The GOATs came in the 2000s, not the 90s. Guys like Fedor, Nog, Shogun, Wanderlei, Machida, Anderson, GSP....those are the GOATS. Now RDA and DJ and TJ are the best of the next era (although RDA has fought since 2004)

I was being slightly troll lol lolish, but the NBA is better today up and down than any period in NBA history in terms of skill, strategy, and ability. It's certainly much better than the 1990s (I say this as someone who played basketball at a higher level than virtually anyone on this board).

As far as MMA goes, virtually all weight classes are better on average, deeper, etc...in 2017 than 2007.

But more generally, there is a tendency for (a certain segment of) sport fans to look at the past with rose-colored glasses.

If you took say...200 fights between a 2017 fighter and their analogue in 2007...the 2017 team would *unquestionably* win more of the fights. Not even a question.

 

[Typrune Goatley]

I was being slightly troll lol lolish, but the NBA is better today up and down than any period in NBA history in terms of skill, strategy, and ability. It's certainly much better than the 1990s (I say this as someone who played basketball at a higher level than virtually anyone on this board).

As far as MMA goes, virtually all weight classes are better on average, deeper, etc...in 2017 than 2007.

But more generally, there is a tendency for (a certain segment of) sport fans to look at the past with rose-colored glasses.

If you took say...200 fights between a 2017 fighter and their analogue in 2007...the 2017 team would *unquestionably* win more of the fights. Not even a question.

NBA is different now than the 90's as well. Today's players are softer and so are the rules. 80's and 90's big men would dominate today's big men. Today's players are leaner and the game is all about spacing now and you can't hardly touch the offensive players anymore. I grew up playing basketball in the 90s and back then you could play hard defense and get in someone's face. Now you get whistled for barely touching them or "impeding their movement." It is a different game today but seems to be less team oriented now than in the past. The Spurs are the only team that actually passed the ball back and forth for the last decade. Everyone else just lets their star player play one on one.



From 155 and below MMA has improved. But HW and LHW are much worse off than they were 12 years ago. HW and LHW are in a sad state right now. The UFC has not invested in new talent. At least Bellator is bringing in high level wrestlers. PRIDE would bring in high level judo and BJJ guys and K1 kickboxers. That is how we got Werdum, Cro Cop and Hunt.

Werdum, Hunt and Reem are all about 40 years old and are still in the UFC top 5 about 11 years after PRIDE folded. That just shows you the division went backwards

 

[georgekillian]

Fuckinaye

People in general have become pussified. Sad.

Yeah the internet message board is the last bastion of hope for the true badasses of today.

 

[Huligani]

Look at all the champions.

 

[Drew Peasack]

There is a tendency for geezers to romanticize the past because they have some sort of personal and emotional investment in a bygone era.

Their thinking is very female-like and emotional, as opposed to being objective and rational like a man.

According to geezers, the NBA hit it's peak in 1950, and Royce Gracie is the greatest fighter in history...because grrrrrrr.....toughness!

Pretty sad.

royce gracie era is not better than the 2005-9 era.

but the 2009 era is better than today

 

[TheAmericanGazelle]

royce gracie era is not better than the 2005-9 era.

but the 2009 era is better than today

No it isn't. 2009 simply has names that you grew up with and that were important during your peak period as a fan.

Hence, the emotional attachment.

That's what's warping your judgement. Emotional attachment to select individuals and completely ignoring the issue of *depth* in the "good ole days" versus now.

 

[Snowfist]

and look who beat him

Lawler.. an OG.
Rory sat down and quit

You discredited yourself with this post. Rory sustained a career ending beating that night. It was an outrageous display of heart. One of the best in mma history. I don’t care for Rory particularly but come on...got to be fucking kidding me.

 

[BNC]

Jones whooped all LHW former great

Rampage, Shogun, Belfort, Machida, Shad, Matyushenko, Vera

Jones comes from good stock his whole family is a pro level athletes

 

[Blanqa Blanqua]

Yeah the internet message board is the last bastion of hope for the true badasses of today.

Good point george