Why the CM Punk love?

[chinarice]

As someone who loved WWF as a kid, then again when WCW was in its heyday and sort of enjoying AEW lately, I'm confused on CM Punk.

He appears to be a huge star but I can't figure out why. He's a whiny baby who thinks he's the shit. Is he loved more for his charisma or or in ring skill?

Any matches I should watch that would make me 'get it?'

I wonder the same about The Bucks.

Spot monkeys that don't sell and spam the super kick every match. . They can do high flying moves, cool. Those wrestlers are a dime a dozen in 2023. They also come off as children

 

[Small Town Andrew]

If Collision ratings keep coming in fairly low you have to wonder if Tony will have buyers remorse bringing CM Punk back. He has lost a lot of steam and credibility since returning to wrestling.

-His work isnt as good as it use to be and hes very sloppy
- he is a major headache backstage that constantly complains and cant get along with the locker room
- now if hes not selling tickets or drawing ratings what good is he?

He is for sure one of the best talkers in the business but if hes not helping the ratings it's hard to justify keeping him around and paying him a large salary.

On another note I watched the Danielson vs Okada match at forbidden door and thought it was incredible. Amazing the american dragon really hasn't lost much of a step and still wrestles like hes in his prime.

 

[GoldenAzazel]

I wonder the same about The Bucks.

Spot monkeys that don't sell and spam the super kick every match. . They can do high flying moves, cool. Those wrestlers are a dime a dozen in 2023. They also come off as children

There's a reason most tag teams have their best matches with The Young Bucks. They're much more than what people say

 

[chinarice]

There's a reason most tag teams have their best matches with The Young Bucks. They're much more than what people say

There's more to wrestling than doing spots. That's all they can do. They don't sell, they can't tell a story. They're just spotmonkeys.

They're good at what they do but they have minus mic skills and lack numerous things that make a good wrestler.

 

[GoldenAzazel]

There's more to wrestling than doing spots. That's all they can do. They don't sell, they can't tell a story. They're just spotmonkeys.

They're good at what they do but they have minus mic skills and lack numerous things that make a good wrestler.

They can definitely tell stories. See their match against Hangman and Omega

 

[GoldenAzazel]

If Collision ratings keep coming in fairly low you have to wonder if Tony will have buyers remorse bringing CM Punk back. He has lost a lot of steam and credibility since returning to wrestling.

-His work isnt as good as it use to be and hes very sloppy
- he is a major headache backstage that constantly complains and cant get along with the locker room
- now if hes not selling tickets or drawing ratings what good is he?

He is for sure one of the best talkers in the business but if hes not helping the ratings it's hard to justify keeping him around and paying him a large salary.

On another note I watched the Danielson vs Okada match at forbidden door and thought it was incredible. Amazing the american dragon really hasn't lost much of a step and still wrestles like hes in his prime.

There's definitely been a boost in ticket sales, and I really wouldn't put much stock in ratings. Ratings are becoming less and less accurate as time goes on due to how people consume media. CM Punk has definitely had a short term boost for AEW so far, but we'll see if it levels out like it did last year before he got injured.

 

[Batjester]

There's a reason most tag teams have their best matches with The Young Bucks. They're much more than what people say

I'm not a fan, but they really aren't as bad as people like to make it out as (see @D.R.H. )


Yes, they are spot monkeys, but they are damn good spot monkeys. Can't take that away from them.

Obligatory, Fuck the Young Bucks.

 

[GoldenAzazel]

I'm not a fan, but they really aren't as bad as people like to make it out as (see @D.R.H. )


Yes, they are spot monkeys, but they are damn good spot monkeys. Can't take that away from them.

Obligatory, Fuck the Young Bucks.

People also use it as a universal negative, when they know they're spot monkeys. They own up to it, lean into it, and use it as a strength.

 

[BAM]

I think he successfully built a brand on being an outsider that likes comic books, punk rock and wrestling fandom before that was commonplace. So, fans who related to that on a deeper level, the outcast, identified with him on a more personal level. That's why when he came back you could see people crying in the audience. It was about something bigger than just wrestling for them.

For others, he a popular WWE guy that kept it real, stayed true to himself rather than be aborbed completely into the machine, and still has a bit of that old rassler magic from the previous generations, rather than some dork cosplaying at it (which is most of them).

 

[Blunderbuss]

I'm not a fan, but they really aren't as bad as people like to make it out as (see @D.R.H. )


Yes, they are spot monkeys, but they are damn good spot monkeys. Can't take that away from them.

Obligatory, Fuck the Young Bucks.

Seeing them live was incredible, and they are by far my least favorite of the Elite. They are definitely wrestlers made for a live crowd as they are very interactive with the audience. Also just the shit they do is crazy to see and so smooth.

As a side note, Matt Jackson sold a back injury for like 6 years straight on the indies and New Japan, and it only just occurred to me recently that he did that because people said they dont sell. I dont like their humor but that is fucking funny

 

[chimpoehurricane]

As someone who loved WWF as a kid, then again when WCW was in its heyday and sort of enjoying AEW lately, I'm confused on CM Punk.

He appears to be a huge star but I can't figure out why. He's a whiny baby who thinks he's the shit. Is he loved more for his charisma or or in ring skill?

Any matches I should watch that would make me 'get it?'

I think Nash helped put him over despite them not fighting or wrestling.

 

[skysolo]

I think it's because Cookie Monster comes off as authentic in a land of fake, posers who wouldn't know any real emotion if it slapped them.

He is 100% himself for good or bad.

Juxtapose him with Triple H. Tri has never said anything that wasn't self-serving and bull in his entire life.

 

[chimpoehurricane]

The most exciting CM has been was on the receiving end of a jackknife power bomb which never resulted in a match or his embarrassing run in ufc.

 

[chimpoehurricane]

I think it's because Cookie Monster comes off as authentic in a land of fake, posers who wouldn't know any real emotion if it slapped them.

He is 100% himself for good or bad.

Juxtapose him with Triple H. Tri has never said anything that wasn't self-serving and bull in his entire life.

I remember his rainbow sign at the end of a show. Looks like a Muppet of the WEF

 

[SuperNerd]

tbh, I haven't enjoyed much of Punk's work in AEW after his debut. The party was over once it began for me.
But trying not to be a debbie-downer, I kept it to myself.

His matches have been alright. But that's true about a lot of AEW. I think he looks old and nonathletic.
Putting the title on him was cringe.

I think his insider shit is lame. Him trying to prove how smart he is with wrestling, comics, hockey, ect. is tiring.
Like bringing shoes to the ring, to not retire, was wack. That's not a thing anyone does in pro-wrestling.

 

[ThunderL1ps]

I think some of it is because he was part of that first generation of indy stars that were grinding it out and helping to rebuild an industry after ECW and WCW went down, he represented the new vision of what those early internet fans wanted the rasslin business to become and he's never really wavered from that stance
He joined the WWE but he never really "sold out" and became a musclehead sports entertainer, even as part of the evil empire he was still the same rebel that the fans wanted to believe in

Im not a fan of Punk but I think I understand his place in history



Or maybe Im completely fucking wrong, first time for everything

 

[cartman]

There were several punk promos that brought me back to pro wrestling. Not just anybody can pull that off.

 

[The Diplomat]

I used to be a big Punk fan back when the alternative was *only* John Cena.

Daniel Bryan/Bryan Danielson played the underdog character with more ernest, with much more athletic prowess, and he barely needed to touch a mic to do it.

Just saying, out of the two ROH indy darlings, one is clearly better than the other.

 

[Thad Castle v2]

He is the voice of the voiceless

 

[Crawler89]

I used to be a big Punk fan back when the alternative was *only* John Cena.

Daniel Bryan/Bryan Danielson played the underdog character with more ernest, with much more athletic prowess, and he barely needed to touch a mic to do it.

Just saying, out of the two ROH indy darlings, one is clearly better than the other.

one of them is regularly considered the best in the world
the other is cm punk

im over all the nonsense until his next fuck up. its fun ripping on him though to cm punk fan boys