Why So Many Americans Believe In The Deep State

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  1. Grunk

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    Interesting read from an aussie based in the USA on this topic. Basically it argues that there isn't a deep state but the very media that is meant to destroy that argument is actually helping perpetuate it.

    Which is why it’s a bit of mystery why The New York Times ran it. To be sure, there is something titillating about the insider voice. But to offer the cloak of anonymity without demanding details about genuine resistance to Trump is to get the short end of the stick. More than that: it helps advance a conspiracy theory that not only misleads Americans about how their government functions, but helps wean them away from a reliance on fact-based reporting — very thing the Times was created to defend.


    https://www.canberratimes.com.au/wo...deep-state-20180909-p502ng.html?crpt=homepage
     
  2. Seano

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    What the media has done to this country over the past decade is despicable.
     
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    So many Americans believe in the deep state because so many Americans are morons.
     
  4. IReallyDoTrainUFC

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    Liberals are the ones you expect to believe in the deep state.

    But it is *conservatives* who are the real supporters.

    Every aspect of the deep state, conservatives support. It is one of the reasons I became a libertarian. Conservatism is a dead shell, a morass of statism now.
     
  5. HockeyBjj

    HockeyBjj Putting on the foil

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    A) because no matter who we vote in, things for the most part stay the same

    Deep state is simply the mega corporations using donations to keep enough politicians in their pocket to continue all systems normal
     
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    Member when the fbi was out get the democrats but a week later they were the moral compass of the country? Pepperidge farm remembers
     
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    How we can watch the media spread fake outrage and divide among party lines, but suddenly come together when it's time for war, is disgraceful.
     
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    It's a vague bottomless pit into which they can fit literally everything about government and politics that they do not understand. These are the people who have never worked up the motivation to learn about actual civics, the roles of institutions and positions, and probably can't name a cabinet position - yet are hot in the biscuit to spend hours speculating about some shadow government.

    Of course it's popular. It's a free pass on being hopelessly uninformed.
     
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    Thread should end right here.
     
  10. Mr. Shickadance

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    Its because the government has lied to it's own citizens and the msm seems to be complacent.

    Also believing in conspiracy theories makes people feel like their insignificant lives aren't their fault but "the man " keeping them down.

    Also people are pretty dumb
     
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    Depends on what deep state means.

    Controlling mechanisms deeper than what appears in the surface of politics? Obviously the case with all the NSA, international corporate influence, etc. Would be absurd to think that is not the case, but again of course it depends on definitions.
     
  12. Fluffernutter

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    I remember years ago listening to an interview on NPR.

    The interview was with the WaPo journalist who was assigned to cover the CIA. He covered the agency for over 20 years.

    During the interview, he mentioned that he believed that the CIA used to be it's own, autonomous organization that simply gathered information and presented it to policy makers. Then, the policy makers created policy based upon their findings.

    However, since 2001, he said the CIA started working along side the DOD and it made him quite weary. After all, why not let the DOD run the drone programs, not in conjunction with CIA?

    Plus, he also spoke about if the CIA had lost it's original goal after the Cold War ended.

    For instance, he stated in his interview "Why is the CIA writing reports about the copper markets in Chile? Certainly, there are plenty of open source reports out there written by college professors (or businesses) about Chilean copper". He believed that we didn't need to send personnel down to Chile to write reports on Chile's copper mines. I assume he meant to emphasize that the cost of Chilean copper has little bearing on our national security.

    In essence, he wondered if the intelligence communities should go back to their Cold War days:

    - Gather information and give it to the policy makers.....don't try to create policy.
    - Keep your independence.
    - Keep your eye on the ball (national security)
     
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    When people refer to the 'Military industrial complex' are they not referring to something akin to a deep state?

    That term has been around for ages. It's a vague concept, but still.
     
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    Why are they complacent?

    Is it because the media doesn't want to lose access?


    For instance, Chuck Todd doesn't want to grill Senator Smith, Secretary Johnson, or CEO Jones too hard or else big-wigs will no longer want to go on his show.

    Therefore, no one really gets pushed.
     
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    Did you just answer your own question?
     
  17. Fluffernutter

    Fluffernutter Red Belt

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    No.

    You brought up "the msm seems to be complacent"

    I discussed if that were true, why it may be that way.
     
  18. Fugazy

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  19. mixcontactsport

    mixcontactsport Land of the Illusion, Home of the Brainwashed Double Yellow Card

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    because the left and the right are clueless numbnuts?
     
  20. Happy Man

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    Yeah Eisenhower and Kennedy spoke incessantly about powers st work behind the scenes.

    The deep state is certainly shown in our foreign policy. No matter who is president they all end up pushed towards war. So much of the D.C. Policy making corporations have so many lawmakers under their spell.
     

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