Why only $15 an hour?

If people got a better wage at shit jobs they wouldn't be as constrained to said shit job. This could lead to them seeking other skills and finding a better job.
 
CableandThanos said:
Why should a high school kid of kid in college have a minimum standard of living? And if you want tot alk about adults working their how do you seperate pay. So the adult working their should make enough to have all their basic needs taken care of but the 30 hour part timer just gets fucked?
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Did you miss the first sentence where I said a $15 MW was a bad idea? I'm clarifying what the argument is, not defending it.
 
I'll gladly stop advocating for raising the minimum wage if we can also stop subsidizing the obsolete rust belt muppets that voted to use my taxpayer money to keep their jobs.

Get some 21st century life skills you fucking mooches. Protectionism is oppression.
 
Falsedawn said:
I'll gladly stop advocating for raising the minimum wage if we can also stop subsidizing the obsolete rust belt muppets that voted to use my taxpayer money to keep their jobs.

Get some 21st century life skills you fucking mooches. Protectionism is oppression.
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How are they using your money to keep their jobs?
 
Falsedawn said:
Begging the federal government to subsidize their jobs so that they don't have to get off their ass and get marketable skills?
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Where exactly? And, would you rather the government help them stay working, or would you rather pay for all of them on welfare?
 
Hell why stop at $25, lets just make it $100 an hour that way everyone is rich! Imagine what that would do for our economy right!!!!
 
EvilWasLittle said:
Where exactly? And, would you rather the government help them stay working, or would you rather pay for all of them on welfare?
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There was just a Carrier deal where they begged to keep their jobs in the US, and the President-Elect gave them subsidies to do so. Have you not been paying attention?

I say fuck them, go to college, do something useful. Protectionism is oppression. If you can't beat a robot, then fuck your job, across the board. Should have thought about that when you were 18.
 
Falsedawn said:
There was just a Carrier deal where they begged to keep their jobs in the US, and the President-Elect gave them subsidies to do so. Have you not been paying attention?

I say fuck them, go to college, do something useful. Protectionism is oppression. If you can't beat a robot, then fuck your job, across the board. Should have thought about that when you were 18.
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If I'm not mistaken that money was taken from the State, not the federal government. So, it had nothing to do with your taxes, unless you live in Indiana. Have you not been paying attention?

Indiana officials will provide United Technologies Corporation $7 million in tax breaks over the next ten years.
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So, you would rather pay for them to be on welfare, pay for their schooling, pay for their medical and so forth, rather than help the company stay open where these people are paying taxes back into the system, so is the company. They're paying for their own healthcare and living as well.

Glad you're not running the country.
 
EvilWasLittle said:
If I'm not mistaken that money was taken from the State, not the federal government. So, it had nothing to do with your taxes, unless you live in Indiana. Have you not been paying attention?
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Indiana that's a net taker of federal funds? That Indiana?
 
Falsedawn said:
Indiana that's a net taker of federal funds? That Indiana?
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Doesn't matter. The money came from state funds, not your pocket.

Also, every state gets funding. Indiana is in the lower middle of the pack, at #29.
 
EvilWasLittle said:
Doesn't matter. The money came from state funds, not your pocket.
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If they're getting topped up by the fed to stay above water, then YES, they did come from my pocket.

Mooch states giving tax cuts when they're already mooches is that shit i don't like.
 
Falsedawn said:
If they're getting topped up by the fed to stay above water, then YES, they did come from my pocket.

Mooch states giving tax cuts when they're already mooches is that shit i don't like.
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You missed my edit. All states get federal money.
 
EvilWasLittle said:
You missed my edit. All states get federal money.
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I live in a state that pays in more than it recieves, that's not very persuasive.

If you are pickpocketing the American people because you couldn't hack it in the information enconomy, then tough titty. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
 
Falsedawn said:
I live in a state that pays in more than it recieves, that's not very persuasive.

If you are pickpocketing the American people because you couldn't hack it in the information enconomy, then tough titty. Pull yourself up by your bootstraps.
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You still didn't answer my other question about letting these people drain the system more by not working.
 
EvilWasLittle said:
You still didn't answer my other question about letting these people drain the system more by not working.
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Uh, fuck them?

I don't have any respect for welfare queens, let them die in the street. This is a cultural problem, we let them get complacent working unskilled work, now they think they're entitled to it. If you don't cut welfare out from under them, they're going to keep crying and sucking off the government teat. "WAAAH, MY GRANDPAPPY WORKED IN THE MILLS! WAAAAH, I DON'T WANNA MOVE TO A CITY!!!"
 
Lead said:
That's a dumbed down version of our current system. I don't understand why people think this is a good idea

Edit: was this sarcasm?
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That advantage of it being simplified is you cut down a lot of the administrative work involved in vetting the eligible from the illegible.
 
King Joffery said:
That advantage of it being simplified is you cut down a lot of the administrative work involved in vetting the eligible from the illegible.
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That is a pro but do you actually think the cost of the administrative work is more costly than the amount of money it takes to pay everyone? There's no way it is even close
 
71Fish said:
That seems low to me. Why not $20 or $25? Think about it, if your owned a small business would you rather pay an unskilled, uneducated, possibly illegal alien $15 or pay a college educated American $20? We can actually price unskilled illegal workers out of the market and employ Americans. Win-win.
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Funny you mention this. Someone a few years back said we were long overdue a minimum wage increase. Back in the early days of minimum wage, a minimum wage worker can buy a house and land.

If you throw in inflation, minimum wage today should be at 30+ dollars an hour. Even at 15 that's only half of what it used to be.

Now with that said, I live in a city where they jumped the minimum wage and I can tell you this: It helped the minimum wage workers ZERO!!! Everything else increased along with the wages. So yes, they might get paid a little more but they also have to pay more so in the end they still end up with the same as before. So nothing changed for them.

Middle income workers like myself is suffering the most. Our wage didn't increase from minimum wage increase but everything else did. So while my income is the same, my outcome has increased.

So I say hell no to the minimum wage increase. It's not meant to sustain a family. It's meant for student workers to make an extra buck while going to school. If you want a real job, get an education and a real job. Stop messing with us middle income folks with your minimum wage BS.
 
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