Why isn't Japan dominating MMA?

Asians dominate weights that other peoples can't make. If Americans, Canadians, Brazilians, Russians all had the same proportion of fighters that size that Japan and Thailand do, they would dominate just like they do in MMA and Boxing
Ya because only asians are as tall as 5'9, 140lbs. Its not like those divisions are the most popular around the world or anything. Its not like the average height for men is somewhere around that as well....
 
Again you tell me why all of Asia has more human beings than every other race and has not ever won a modern elite MMA belt. Why do you think it is?
Because MMA is not big in Asia? If they can win gold in wrestling, I'm pretty sure they can be UFC champ if they tried. lol
 
Asians dominate weights that other peoples can't make. If Americans, Canadians, Brazilians, Russians all had the same proportion of fighters that size that Japan and Thailand do, they would dominate just like they do in MMA and Boxing


Lightweight and Featherweight are the most stacked divisons with the deepest talent pool in kickboxing and the champs are asian.

and those guys I posted I widely agreed to be p4p greats, weight wouldn't even matter.
 
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Because MMA is not big in Asia? If they can win gold in wrestling, I'm pretty sure they can be UFC champ if they tried. lol
So MMA is bigger in Ireland, who has a population of 4 mil, and Asia has a pop of 4 bill and invented martial arts? MMA is MASSIVEEEEE in Asia compared to the rest of the world but they are not physically gifted enough. You are too emotionally connected to this subject to be objective and realistic.
 
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What would one of the biggest entertainment conglomerates with a international presence know about international expansion.........nah nothing.
honestly, given some of the models we've seen so far... not that much
 
Ya because only asians are as tall as 5'9, 140lbs. Its not like those divisions are the most popular around the world or anything. Its not like the average height for men is somewhere around that as well....

Japan is the biggest of the major SEA countries, and even they top out at 5'7" on average. Korea, Phillipines, China, and Thailand are all around 5'4"-5'5" on average.
 
So MMA is bigger in Ireland, who has a population of 4 mil, and Asia has a pop of 4 bill and invented martial arts? MMA is MASSIVEEEEE in Asia compared to the rest of the world but they are not physically gifted enough. You are too emotionally connected to this subject to be objective and realistic.

McGregor is an outlier. don't start arguing with situational evidence, that's just stupid.
 
american football is an...sport mainly played in the US. as crazy as it sounds. and asians are typically smaller, so they might not cut it for physical sports without weight classes. which mma is not.

they do great in weight lifting and gymnastics which is like THE thing to measure p4p physical ability and strength.


Look buddy I don't care how good their weightlifters are, when it comes to MMA they're just not up to the task.
 
So MMA is bigger in Ireland, who has a population of 4 mil, and Asia has a pop of 4 bill and invented martial arts? MMA is MASSIVEEEEE in Asia compared to the rest of the world but they are not physically gifted enough. You are too emotionally connected to this subject to be objective and realistic.
LMAO what? no you're likely a racist. Anybody who has watched other combat sports knows that Asians (which is a shitty, vague way to classify race to begin with) are easily as gifted as any other race athletically. this is some alt-right level racial propaganda here.

Truth is MMA aint shit in Japan or the rest of Asia (nor Africa or Latin America outside of Brazil) compared to other sports like boxing or Muay thai. Who wants to fight in a shooto show where you lose 90% of your pay if you miss weight when you can be the next Naoya Inoue?
 
I think Japanese fighters are up to par with the grappling, but there seems to be a lack in boxing and kickboxing amongst MMA fighters unless they have a karate background. Also, the wrestling game in Japan is lacking. They just need to adapt a little better to modern day MMA gyms and the level of coaches that the top gyms have.
 
Look buddy I don't care how good their weightlifters are, when it comes to MMA they're just not up to the task.
might be poor training issues, or, more realistically, that the populations of Asia either have better paying combat sports (like boxing in the philippines) or just simply don't give two shits about mma, which is a small sport worldwide.
 
I have always wondered why Japanese MMA suffered after the loss of PRIDE. When I think MMA, I think of 3 countries. USA, Brazil, and Japan. (You can also throw in Russia now for the current flood of Russian talent.) Japan being one of the pioneer countries of MMA and simply being involved in martial arts since ancient times, it baffles me why they are not dominating the MMA scene. A lot of people on this forum say its because they have weak wrestling, which is actually not true at all. Japan has very strong wrestling and do very well in the Olympics, for the men's lower weight classes, and even better for the women. They are taking medals home with every Olympics that come. They are also the top dogs in Judo, so you would think there would at least be better female Judo practitioners than Ronda Rousey coming in and throwing women around but not a single one attempted it. Their Jiu-Jitsu cant be questioned either since they pretty much invented the damn thing. As for kickboxing, that's pretty much what they are known for. They have everything you would ever need to become a successful fighter.

So what gives? I went and asked my friend who is Japanese and a fan of MMA. He put it this way...

Him: Have you been to Japan?
Me: No.
Him: Well if you did, you would know that Japan makes America look like a third world country. No child in Japan ever dreams of "living that American life". lol

So basically, the Japanese fighters want to live and have fame in JAPAN. They don't care about having fame in other countries. They want to be super stars of their own nation. And that the Japanese public don't care for the UFC, and the UFC don't care for the Japanese public. The UFC does not know how to market to Japan. That guys like Yushin Okami are still nobodies in Japan and that being a UFC fighter did nothing for him. To be really successful in the UFC you will have to move to America. That the constant flight from Japan to America is one of the hardest. For them to leave everything they love behind, they would have to be offered a shit ton of money which the UFC will not do because they are not marketable to the western audience. So why do this when they can just join Rizin and get paid more, still get to live in Japan, and be marketed better then the UFC ever could?

Really interesting points and it makes sense. So what do you guys think?

I personally hope we AT LEAST get to see this kid in the UFC at some point. But he just doesn't seem to have any interest in UFC.




Pretty sad really. The UFC definitely need to step up their game internationally. It was headed that way under Lorenzo. But with WME? Not a chance...


Seems to me that you expected Japan to be top 3 in MMA because of their martial art culture, so you're looking for reasons as to why there aren't top talents being produced from Japan.

Well, I can tell you that it has nothing to do with the death of PRIDE FC, because even at PRIDE's peak, Japanese MMA fighters were not one of the top 3 in the world.

It was Russian Federation, Brazil, and USA.

And if we look at the state of MMA at the present, it still is the same.
 
LMAO what? no you're likely a racist. Anybody who has watched other combat sports knows that Asians (which is a shitty, vague way to classify race to begin with) are easily as gifted as any other race athletically. this is some alt-right level racial propaganda here.

Truth is MMA aint shit in Japan or the rest of Asia (nor Africa or Latin America outside of Brazil) compared to other sports like boxing or Muay thai. Who wants to fight in a shooto show where you lose 90% of your pay if you miss weight when you can be the next Naoya Inoue?
Lel, u are right bro: there is no difference between a Mastiff and Poodle, nor a Halflinger or an Arab, or a Rhode Island Red or Leg Horn - "All are equal in every way!". Keep living in your alternative universe and think genetics applies to everything except humans. Get back to me when an Asian wins a UFC or premiere AND MODERN MMA title (not Ping Pong or weight lifting).
 
cause they arnt strong enough nor have the skillset we have in the west trained with many asians and in different countries they just dont have what it takes atm
 
Lel, u are right bro: there is no difference between a Mastiff and Poodle, nor a Halflinger or an Arab, or a Rhode Island Red or Leg Horn - "All are equal in every way!". Keep living in your alternative universe and think it does apply to everything except humans. Get back to me when an Asian wins a UFC or premiere AND MODERN MMA title (not Ping Pong or weight lifting).

that's like me saying get back to me when the US wins a soccer world title. are americans to stupid or physically not gifted enough to play soccer? no, they just don't give a shit about the sport just like asian don't give a shit about mma.
 
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