Why isn't Japan dominating MMA?

[Yodsanan]

Why? Genetics. Asian men aren't as physically talented as black, latinos and whites. There is a reason Asia created martial arts, has more martial artists than anywhere and the closest they came to a UFC title was BJ Penn. Genetics are a cold truth that no one wants to admit, because"it's racist", but the reality is 'science gunna science'. Any breeder of animals will tell you this, and sadly, it applies to humans too. A Chihuahua will never beat a Mastiff in a fight.

why doesn't this apply to boxing and kickboxing?

 

[welcometohavoc]

While I'm not sure about wording it so harshly or racist-sounding, you're actually not wrong. Their culture is far more introverted and shame-based then ours, which makes it hard for men to actually get out and get to know women. Just saw a study the other day, matter of fact, that said something like over 25% of men over 30 were still virgins. I doubt you could come up with those numbers with high school seniors in America.

You're a perfect example of what's wrong with Western society and how overly sensitized people are becoming. In what way was anything I said racist? I never mentioned anything remotely relating to Japanese ethnicity or culture.

In fact you could replace the word Japan with any country and you wouldn't have a clue that I had been talking about Japan, that's how racially/ethnically ambiguous my statement was

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

Three primary reasons Japanese MMA has suffered since the downfall of PRIDE:
1. PED testing/USADA
2. Japanese have not mastered weight cutting like Westerners. Asians are generally smaller and less muscular to begin with. A natural WW going against someone who weighs 200 lbs or more outside training camp is at a big disadvantage. Skill can only overcome so much (generally about 5" and 45 lbs).
3. Traditional martial arts are generally not effective in MMA or street fights. It is not rare for so-called martial arts masters to get their asses handed to them in street fights by random drunk guys. Most successful fighters coming from karate, jiu jitsu, or judo backgrounds heavily incorporate Western boxing and/or wrestling.

I can't think of many karate guys who use alot of boxing.

 

[FlowchartRog]

What does this have to do with anything?
Touchy subject?

Touchy subject? I'm English, so no. I just find it highly ignorant when dorks like you act like Asians are these pathetic little girly men, when it's not even close to being true. At least as far as the Japanese, Thais, and Filipinos go.

Do you realise Japan has more boxing titles per capita than America? They are a force in the lighter weights, and the funny thing is, they don't get by being clever slicksters, they are usually powerful and tough as nails.

 

[ImNotSurpisedDonks!]

why doesn't this apply to boxing and kickboxing?

Different skillset(s), cerebral vs physical, weight classes, strengths, etc. Kickboxing/boxing is based more on the cerebral, while MMA is not only cerebral but of the physical. Look at how many NFL football players there are, Eugene Chung was the last Asian first round pick and got smushed in the NFL. There are more Asians in the world than any other race, they invented and popularized martial arts, but they fail to be successful at popular sports, sports in which are popular in the rest of the world that require physicality. Asians have some of the best brains but they are not physically talented like Nigerians or Swedes are, and everyone knows this.....it is OK.

 

[eNoq]

Touchy subject? I'm English, so no. I just find it highly ignorant when dorks like you act like Asians are these pathetic little girly men, when it's not even close to being true. At least as far as the Japanese, Thais, and Filipinos go.

Do you realise Japan has more boxing titles per capita than America? They are a force in the lighter weights, and the funny thing is, they don't get by being clever slicksters, they are usually powerful and tough as nails.

Point out that on average asian men are smaller beings with a lower total testosterone compared to white/black/latino is somehow me saying that asian men are pathetic little girly men?
I feel like there's something deeper you're not quite telling me.

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

Different skillset(s), cerebral vs physical, weight classes, strengths, etc. Kickboxing/boxing is based more on the cerebral, while MMA is not only cerebral but of the physical. Look at how many NFL football players there are, Eugene Chung was the last Asian first round pick and got smushed in the NFL. There are more Asians in the world than any other race, they invented and popularized martial arts, but they fail to be successful at popular sports, sports in which are popular in the rest of the world that require physicality. Asians have some of the best brains but they are not physically talented like Nigerians or Swedes are, and everyone knows this.....it is OK.

they do well in judo and wrestling though which is physical.

 

[Jimmy Jazz]

Point out that on average asian men are smaller beings with a lower total testosterone compared to white/black/latino is somehow me saying that asian men are pathetic little girly men?
I feel like there's something deeper you're not quite telling me.

Latino isnt a race like black or white is. I mean its all a social construct to a degree but latinos can be any race. I hate to break it to you bro but many latinos are not particularly different from asians as far as build goes. Mexicans for instance arent known for being incredibly athletic or muscular, and yet they still do very well in combat sports.

 

[ComradeFedor]

They don't have the same monkey strength as whites and blacks do that's why.

Asian guys have much more feminine bodies imo.

 

[Yodsanan]

Different skillset(s), cerebral vs physical, weight classes, strengths, etc. Kickboxing/boxing is based more on the cerebral, while MMA is not only cerebral but of the physical. Look at how many NFL football players there are, Eugene Chung was the last Asian first round pick and got smushed in the NFL. There are more Asians in the world than any other race, they invented and popularized martial arts, but they fail to be successful at popular sports, sports in which are popular in the rest of the world that require physicality. Asians have some of the best brains but they are not physically talented like Nigerians or Swedes are, and everyone knows this.....it is OK.

american football is an...sport mainly played in the US. as crazy as it sounds. and asians are typically smaller, so they might not cut it for physical sports without weight classes. which mma is not.

they do great in weight lifting and gymnastics which is like THE thing to measure p4p physical ability and strength.

 

[Caio]

Because they never did.

 

[ImNotSurpisedDonks!]

they do well in judo and wrestling though which is physical.

They invented Judo..........that is like saying "Brazil does well in BJJ". Skill beats the physical, but when all else are equal, physical will have the edge. Asians are smaller and weaker than other peoples. There has never, nor will ever be, an Asian HW or boxing champ. With weight . cugtting now a days, much larger and stronger men can cut down to smaller classes and just bully smaller men.

And this aint a hate on Asia post, my GF is Chinese and my son is half Asian. The fact is blacks (on the whole - see 'The Bell Curve) are not as smart as Asians - and the flip side is, Asians are not as physically talented as blacks. Do humans think this truth is evident and every other animal but exempt in humans? Quarter horses are faster than Thoroughbreds but they can not run as long: simply facts of biology.

 

[Vile]

Didn't Satoshi Ishii also get a lot of backlash after going to MMA from Judo? I mean that if you get frowned upon when switching from judo/wrestling to MMA it might disencourage top talent from crossing over. I am not saying that Ishii thing is true, but that's what I once read.

 

[Yodsanan]

.Asians are smaller and weaker than other peoples. There has never, nor will ever be, an Asian HW or boxing champ.

kickboxing and boxing are more international sports then mma with more competioners worldwide and asians do great and win world titles on the regular.

 

[SherdogFan23]

Japan prefers Sumo and Puroresu over US versions of wrestling. MMA isn't even on the radar.

 

[welcometohavoc]

no outliers. I can go on with the p4p greats in kickboxing right now.

p4p number two kickboxer right now.



p4p number three kickboxer right now.




Japan and Thailand are dominating the strongest weight classes in kickfighting which are featherweight and lightweight.

Asians dominate weights that other peoples can't make. If Americans, Canadians, Brazilians, Russians all had the same proportion of fighters that size that Japan and Thailand do, they would dominate just like they do in MMA and Boxing

 

[ImNotSurpisedDonks!]

?????

*major boxing champ

dang bro, you got your panties in a PC bunch. I mean no offense. I only argue for science and reality. - see 'The Bell Curve'. I love Asia,

american football is an...sport mainly played in the US. as crazy as it sounds. and asians are typically smaller, so they might not cut it for physical sports without weight classes. which mma is not.

they do great in weight lifting and gymnastics which is like THE thing to measure p4p physical ability and strength.

You tell me: why has not Asia produced one UFC champion or successful NFL player tho there are as many Asian's in the US as blacks (who are like 95% of the NFL)? Even with weight classes (as we both admit Asian men are much smaller than other races). Why are Asians the most populated people on planet Earth (thus having higher odds to succeed) and they have never captured one UFC title? What do you think?

 

[MuayThai101]

Different skillset(s), cerebral vs physical, weight classes, strengths, etc. Kickboxing/boxing is based more on the cerebral, while MMA is not only cerebral but of the physical. Look at how many NFL football players there are, Eugene Chung was the last Asian first round pick and got smushed in the NFL. There are more Asians in the world than any other race, they invented and popularized martial arts, but they fail to be successful at popular sports, sports in which are popular in the rest of the world that require physicality. Asians have some of the best brains but they are not physically talented like Nigerians or Swedes are, and everyone knows this.....it is OK.

You do realize that Japan is top 10 in the Olympics for nation with most medals won right? They do well in almost everything they do.

 

[ImNotSurpisedDonks!]

You do realize that Japan is top 10 in the Olympics for nation with most medals won right? They do well in almost everything they do.

Again you tell me why all of Asia has more human beings than every other race and has not ever won a modern elite MMA belt. Why do you think it is?

 

[Yodsanan]

*major boxing champ

dang bro, you got your panties in a PC bunch. I mean no offense. I only argue for science and reality. - see 'The Bell Curve'. I love Asia,

You tell me: why has not Asia produced one UFC champion or successful NFL player tho there are as many Asian's in the US as blacks (who are like 95% of the NFL)? Even with weight classes (as we both admit Asian men are much smaller than other races). Why are Asians the most populated people on planet Earth (thus having higher odds to succeed) and they have never captured one UFC title? What do you think?

You arguing and thinking to US centric. Most of asia doesn't even train MMA or knows what the UFC is. Boxing, kickboxing and Judo are all way bigger then MMA in Japan. Thailand who is dominating muay thai and producing champs in kickboxing and boxing ever since doesn't care about mma at all. The phillipines is all about boxing. China also discovered kickboxing in recent times to put on huge shows.

*major boxing champ

haha, do yo even follow the sport? Sor Rungvisai beat the p4p king of the sport in huge upsets back to back this year. other then that you got hall of famers like Pancho Villa, Fighting Harada, Pongsaklek Wonjongkam, Pacquiao, Khaosai. The list is endless.