Why Is UFC's Talent Scout So Pro-Brazilian?

[Soul Slasher**]

We get our porn from eastern europe given their willing to debase themselves for our pleasure. That's what the market has determined. Funny thing is, there are a number of east european athletes who do porn to supplement their income. There was a Hungarian olympic wrestler, obviously the kind of guy who might turn to mma, who chose to do gay porn instead. Perhaps he was making a philosophical statement.

Or maybe he is just simply gay.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Not sure if serious.

Also, if Tim Sylvia was champ, one would think Kharitonov would have had a good shot too. The guy beat Reem, Werdum, Arlovski, Rizzo, and Russow.

Khalidov might make a run at a title post Silva. Who knows until they fight in UFC with more prevalence.

But to use them not rising to champions in UFC when they seldom fight there is the height of idiocy.

why woulndt I? he lost soundly, with both of them, and Dana tried to sign him several times, is not like the UFC didnt try to get him...

sergei was inconsistent, the lost to monson affected his image, then got subed by josh (nothing bad, just saying, that was the reason why he probably didnt go to the UFC)

 

[Soul Slasher**]

brazil has a larger volume of talented fighters... ? pretty easy answer....

So does Eastern Europe.

Don't look at things on face value buddy.

 

[Zlatan1]

not really, he won 2 decisions, rightfully though...

now, what big foot did to him is what I call beating the shit out of someone...

Not really?! Hahaha

 

[brazilianblood]

Those guys are more than promising, and it's about percentages anyways. You could name 30 promising Brazilians, well the UFC has 60 on their roster. They have 4 Russians and we could name a lot more than 2 promising ones.

If you think there are 15 times more good Brazilian fighters than Russian, you're severely deluded.

there are more brazilians because UFC was created by a brazilian (rorion gracie) based on the vale tudo fights and the jiu jitsu challenges in brazil
historically many brazilians participated and had sucess in the UFC (royce, ruas, rizzo, bustamante, belfort...)

also brazil is a huge market for UFC too right now

and i do believe brazil has a deeper talent pool in MMA. not in that proportion, obviously

 

[Blindead]

Nope, it's not remotely proportional to the talent in the respective countries. Brasil has more, but not 15 times more (60 to 4) than Russia. UFC didn't sign Kharitonov but pulled the trigger on Geronimo Dos Santos. Brasilians are more marketable, which is a big factor for the UFC. Look at how they're handing out title shots. And with this attitude, other organizations like Bellator have pounced on most of the Russians UFC did want.

Kharitonov wanted non-exclusive contracts that would allow him to kickbox and wasn't that interested in the UFC. He also would have wanted a lot more than he is worth to the UFC. He's not even top 10 in the UFC, probably not even top 15 (people forget he lost to a journeyman in Monson not too long ago), but to other promotions he can be their biggest name. Hence why he can find more value elsewhere along with more freedom.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

If you actually believe this, you're some kind of sheep.

It's hard to tell if people are trolling unless they are completely over the top, have a rep, or are in person to hear the inflection in their voice or see their facial expressions.

Fedor won to decisions vs nog (good decisions) and got brutalized by bigfoot and subed by werdum, what part of this is me trolling or turns me into a sheep? Im a fedor fan, big ass fan, but that is what happened, just stating the facts.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Not really?! Hahaha

please tell me what is not really?

did fedor win 2 good decisions over nog, yes.
did werdum subed him, yes.
did bigfoot brutalized him, yes.

what part of my past post is not true?

 

[Cuauhtemoc]

I don't think they go around scouting, many brazilian fighters have contacts in the ufc, let's say you live in Rio and train at Team Nogueira, if you're good there is a big chance Nogueira, Anderson, Soares or whatever may tell dana
"hey you should check this guy out"

Also most Brazilian promotions are weak or are non-exclusive, jungle fight, amazon fight, whatever put some good cards here and there but they are really minor promotions akin to KOTC or other unknown american promotions.
Eastern Europe on the other hand got some bigger promotions like M-1 And KSW

Plus Bellator is signing the best european talent right now IMO

 

[JonSnitchPhones]

why woulndt I? he lost soundly, with both of them, and Dana tried to sign him several times, is not like the UFC didnt try to get him...

sergei was inconsistent, the lost to monson affected his image, then got subed by josh (nothing bad, just saying, that was the reason why he probably didnt go to the UFC)

Geez, you're the worst kind of fan on sherdog.

Of course UFC tried to sign Fedor. That doesn't establish some kind of reasonable standard.

Obviously Fedor was past his prime in 2010-2011. Not everybody ages the same with TRT, wars, injuries, body types, etc. Fedor was a chunky guy whose success was predicated in part on anomalous speed. He lost to Hendo, who lost to Big Nog and Arona, who Fedor beat in Pride. He lost to Werdum, who lost to Arlovski and Big Nog, both who Fedor beat. He obviously wasn't the same fighter.

Kharitonov was coming off a win in the Pride finale. He was 1-1 in the SF HW tourney. No shame in that. Those results don't justify passing on talent.

You should get paid for being such a loyal Dana drone. Someone can do his propaganda while he finally gets some sleep.

 

[Zlatan1]

please tell me what is not really?

did fedor win 2 good decisions over nog, yes.
did werdum subed him, yes.
did bigfoot brutalized him, yes.

what part of my past post is not true?

 

[JonSnitchPhones]

there are more brazilians because UFC was created by a brazilian (rorion gracie) based on the vale tudo fights and the jiu jitsu challenges in brazil
historically many brazilians participated and had sucess in the UFC (royce, ruas, rizzo, bustamante, belfort...)

also brazil is a huge market for UFC too right now

and i do believe brazil has a deeper talent pool in MMA. not in that proportion, obviously

OK then.

 

[MMA Fan 505**]

It's about money and UFC is going to bring in the guys who can make them money.

UFC's marketing is very xenophobic and caters to countries and ethnicity and Brazil is kind of a hot bed for MMA, so there are a lot of Brazilian fighters on cards.

 

[MMA Fan 505**]

please tell me what is not really?

did fedor win 2 good decisions over nog, yes.
did werdum subed him, yes.
did bigfoot brutalized him, yes.

what part of my past post is not true?

It doesn't tell the whole story. Fedor got old. Just like how Chuck was knocked out by Shogun, it doesn't tell the whole story.

 

[MMA Fan 505**]

So does Eastern Europe.

Don't look at things on face value buddy.

Sure, Eastern Europe has a lot of great fighters, but this isn't the NBA or some other sport where talent is the most important thing.

In UFC, talent takes a backseat to marketability, and something Brazilians have over Eastern Europeans is the ability to pack stadiums. UFC isn't popular in Eastern Europe, so why would the UFC sign fighters they can't make money off of?

 

[textwarrior]

Yet you hardly ever see them bring more fighters from Eastern Europe?

I am sure with Sambo being big in Russia that there are many dangerous Heavyweight Eastern European fighters.

But UFC has always been a green door for many Brazilian fighters to come in and participate in the sport here in the US.

Well, with UFC talent pool, at first it was mostly USA, with some brazilians coming over. After Pride fell, we had Japans interest too, but even more so Brazil. As time moves on, Uk started making a run with their high level strikers and now UFC has even gone to Australia. Gus is from Netherlands I think. So Europe is going to grow into it. I expect Russia in the next 10 years to start making a huge direction in MMA in the world. The question though, is what other countries will me soaking in MMA around the world. I think certain cultures, like brazil, make good MMA centers because their lifestyle is different, and more community base which makes MMA training very convient. I lived in Chile and saw how south America works...and that is why I believe Brazilians have allot of good fighters....their lifestyle and culture really helps. But, I to answer your question...yeah, I think Russia will eventually come to UFC if it grows around the world. I think UFC growth is good for fans, but, maybe not the fighters who can have more options.

 

[JKS]

Cause they have the best and most exciting fighters.

 

[BJJ_Rage]

Geez, you're the worst kind of fan on sherdog.

Of course UFC tried to sign Fedor. That doesn't establish some kind of reasonable standard.

Obviously Fedor was past his prime in 2010-2011. Not everybody ages the same with TRT, wars, injuries, body types, etc. Fedor was a chunky guy whose success was predicated in part on anomalous speed. He lost to Hendo, who lost to Big Nog and Arona, who Fedor beat in Pride. He lost to Werdum, who lost to Arlovski and Big Nog, both who Fedor beat. He obviously wasn't the same fighter.

Kharitonov was coming off a win in the Pride finale. He was 1-1 in the SF HW tourney. No shame in that. Those results don't justify passing on talent.

You should get paid for being such a loyal Dana drone. Someone can do his propaganda while he finally gets some sleep.

dana drone? you dont know who you are talking about, do something, go to mmajunkie and search for my user name, and see who is a drone or not, noob.

I only made reference of Fedor losing to them becasue someone was bashing the UFC for looking into brasilians and not russinas and brought up fedor, nothing more... Fedor was an awesome fighter, no doubt about it, but him losing to them did not make his transition to the UFC any easier, not to mention the whole m1 stuff...

 

[BJJ_Rage]

LMFAO... you are postiing 5 secs of the fight, Fedor won decisively, never said he didnt, but this http://www.google.com.py/imgres?hl=...&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:82&tx=106&ty=71

is what a ass kick looks like... Fedor vs Nog was competitive, bigfoot straight up raped fedor...

 

[BJJ_Rage]

It doesn't tell the whole story. Fedor got old. Just like how Chuck was knocked out by Shogun, it doesn't tell the whole story.

Fedor was 32 or 33 when he lost to werdum, his same age, yeah I know he was in some wars and I agree that age had a much bigger impact on him than on werdum, Fedor got by a lot due his physical skills, so aging definitely played a big factor...

chuck was older then fedor, chuk had no chin by the time he fought shogun, and Fedor was never ktfo, his chin was fine, he took a brutal beating vs bigfoot still managed to stan up and want to come out to the 3rd, not the same case.