Elections Why is there record breaking early voting?

[PHATV]

I'm dreading this election regardless of outcome.

If trump wins, demos will protest. If kamala wins, repubs will protest due to "letting it slide" last time.

I know I say a lot of dumb shit on here. I truly wish both parties would work with each other and not shit on each other. Unfortunately those days are gone. Focus on yourself and do your best to protect your family.

Also i'm whooping @PHATV at fantasy football today.

 

[Loiosh]

You work in Canada !! you claimed millions , you don't know that from your work .

I told you what to do. If you weren't so terrified of the world outside your echo chamber, you could Google "how many Americans don't have ID". You'd find a long list of articles telling you exactly that. I found sites breaking it down by age, types of ID, wealth, all kinds of detail. Do yourself a favor and don't try to dig until you find what Ian Miles Cheong has to say, find an unbiased cross section of articles.

And I noticed you avoided answering my incredibly simple question again. The only reason you can't agree that laws be screened is because you WANT the vote suppression.

 

[Vampire life]

I like the talking point “ people cant afford an ID”.

from some of the same people who when you talk grocery say “ people can pay more of groceries, it’s bs when people claim they can’t afford eggs and bacon”

But you had to have id to get a fake COVID vaccination
You need id to fly- you can’t even buy a beer at Walgreens without an ID
I’m convinced that the fake vaccine push was a giant census - brilliant actually
I have a whole theory about it

 

[Vampire life]

Meh

 

[Islam Imamate]

it’s very convenient.

It should be a federal law that you can vote 2 weeks before an election and only do mail in if you can prove hardship along with Election Day being a federal holiday. It should all be standardized on blockchain to avoid any interference along with voter ID.

I hope there isn’t a big stink after this Tuesday but I fear there will be.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Why? Do you even know how it works? You don’t, clearly.

 

[Islam Imamate]

Why? Do you even know how it works? You don’t, clearly.

Its a decentralized ledger more or less right? What kind of interference is a blockchain preventing that the current system doesn't protect against?

 

[Rob Battisti]

It’s a decentralized ledger more or less right? What kind of interference is a blockchain preventing that the current system doesn't protect against?

It’s not that alone. Don’t conflate Bitcoin with Blockchain.

It would be instantaneous, trustless, unhackable results.

 

[Islam Imamate]

It’s not that alone. Don’t conflate Bitcoin with Blockchain.

It would be instantaneous, trustless, unhackable results.

Okay but what kind of interference is a blockchain preventing that the current system doesn't?

 

[Rob Battisti]

Okay but what kind of interference is a blockchain preventing that the current system doesn't?

An instant, trustless and unhackable result.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Just admit, you saw me, saw blockchain and thought fake money and Ponzi schemes so you took an opposing view without really understanding what you were opposing.

 

[Barteh]

An instant, trustless and unhackable result.

Couldn't they just code in all kinds of shenanigans in a private blockchain?

 

[Rob Battisti]

Couldn't they just code in all kinds of shenanigans in a private blockchain?

Yeah, if it’s private. That’s not what I’m arguing for. Making it private would only provide the benefit for the private entity.

 

[Quadtavius Tuck]

Dude just stop. I'm not white and I didn't abandon anyone. I didn't vote for a fascist either. If this is your idea of humorous trolling you have failed miserably.

What's next? You're gonna say you have a Black friend so you're not racist? Tsk tsk get outta my face with that

 

[Islam Imamate]

An instant, trustless and unhackable result.

Right but what kind of interference do you think the current system is vulnerable to that a blockchain would protect against? Do our voting machines get hacked? And do we really want a "trustless" system? The American Republic is built on norms that ultimately boil down to trust.

Just admit, you saw me, saw blockchain and thought fake money and Ponzi schemes so you took an opposing view without really understanding what you were opposing.

No, I thought that people often reach to find use cases for blockchain. I've seen this in other industries like games where people have used blockchains for their databases which ended up backfiring since you can't edit them. In the case of a voting system what happens if we do a recount and the vote count turns out different? You can't edit a blockchain right?

 

[Rob Battisti]

Right but what kind of interference do you think the current system is vulnerable to that a blockchain would protect against? Do our voting machines get hacked? And do we really want a "trustless" system? The American Republic is built on norms that ultimately boil down to trust.

I’ve answered you twice. We absolutely want a trustless system. Especially when it comes to elections. How is that arguable?

The only reason to not want improvements is you think we’ve reached the pinnacle of technology when it comes to voting. Forgive me if I think that sounds incredibly ignorant.

It’s also not just about vulnerabilities, as I’ve mentioned — twice.

No, I thought that people often reach to find use cases for blockchain. I've seen this in other industries like games where people have used blockchains for their databases which ended up backfiring since you can't edit them. In the case of a voting system what happens if we do a recount and the vote count turns out different? You can't edit a blockchain right?

That’s the point. There isn’t a need for a recount since it’s a trustless immutable system.

 

[Barteh]

Yeah, if it’s private. That’s not what I’m arguing for. Making it private would only provide the benefit for the private entity.

Yeah and if it's public that'd allow for foreign intervention and foreign entities trying to take over the blockchain or fork it and put other stuff in it.

I'm not sold on the idea of using blockchain for elections and I know a lot more about blockchain than the average person. Maybe there is a secure way to implement it but I'm not convinced right now.

 

[Rob Battisti]

Yeah and if it's public that'd allow for foreign intervention and foreign entities trying to take over the blockchain or fork it and put other stuff in it.

I'm not sold on the idea of using blockchain for elections and I know a lot more about blockchain than the average person. Maybe there is a secure way to implement it but I'm not convinced right now.

That’s not how it works.

 

[Barteh]

That’s not how it works.

So how does it work? The blockchain would be public, so every expert could audit it and check to see if it works, but nobody would be able to make any changes to it ever?

What if some illegal manages to get on the voter roll in a blockchain?
What if somebody dies, do they automatically get removed?
How is your 80 year old grandma gonna vote on the blockchain?

While I'm not convinced, although open to the idea and open to being convinced, I don't think the public is ready for this at all.

 

[Rob Battisti]

The blockchain would be public, so every expert could audit it and check to see if it works, but nobody would be able to make any changes to it ever?

Yes. Not just experts but anyone.

What if some illegal manages to get on the voter roll in a blockchain?
What if somebody dies, do they automatically get removed?
How is your 80 year old grandma gonna vote on the blockchain?

You’d need voter ID tied to voter registration.

That’s also tied to registration.

The exact same way she does now.

Literally this would just replace the scattered informal databases we use now with something that is immutable, auditable, trustless and instant.