Opinion Why is Communism still around?

This is better than nothing?

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No make shift shanty hospitals festering with disease and lacking supplies are the reality of what hospitals are like for the common man in the country.
Better than not having a hospital or clinic at all, yes. Of course I'm not going to tell Cubans to be grateful for that shit either, they should aspire for better and they likely won't get it until they move away from their current system
 
See, its easy to downplay their hardships when you only argue from anecdotal evidence. You know the struggles of Cubans and its good you air them but here you are downplaying the struggles of others because just like leftists who play apologist for Castro's regime you are alienated from their experience and motivated to downplay it for political points.

Do Cubans have to pay out the nose to be smuggled in by cartels? Are they scrutinized as much for deportation?

Look honestly you only argue from anecdotal experience which is obviously going to favor your biases and at this point we're going around in circles. That's not all bad, I think its good for people like you to reminds us of the daily hardships of Cubans, something that doesn't come across through cold hard data and metrics. I think part of the weakness of communist regimes is that often the centralized governments are blind to these daily realities of life under their rule in favor of the big picture metrics(which are distorted in many cases for a variety of reasons I'd rather not get into).

I'll concede that leftists outside of Cuba downplay the day to day struggle of Cubans and play apologist for Fidel too much. Its perfectly legitimate to shit on those leftists. But my point is Latin America is in general a shithole unfortunately and I don't think communism was the key factor in Cuba. Cuba would've been different kind of shithole had it never had a communist revolution but the determination of the US to dominate and exploit it would've taken it down a different but also dark path that other Latin American states find themselves on(egregious inequality, entrenched landed oligarchy, violence, elections plagued by corruption etc).

But yes, Cuba is overrated by leftists. Even self admitted communist Slavoj Zizek criticizes Cuban communism as being pretty shit and mostly hyped up by nostalgic leftists as an alternative to the complete catastrophic disasters of other communist regimes like Maoist China and Stalinist Russia. Its fine to give the Devil his due but its also fair for you to point out most leftists would not want to live in Cuba as opposed to one of the developed market economies of the world. Its less shit than other communist countries and many Latin American countries but its no alternative to liberal democratic capitalism.

I've said what I want to say on the issue so have the last word and have a nice day.

You call it anecdotal, I call it facts. You’re right we will never agree. You don’t even need to pay coyotes necessarily and especially not today when people come hundreds at a time. My uncle came through Yuma, Arizona no coyote needed....I know I know anectdotal

Yep, we will never agree here

I also don’t think Cuba would have been a shit hole today. I would say much better than a Costa Rica with baseball teams, casinos, and all kinds of $$$ coming through the tourist industry. Look at what my people have done with nothing. I can only imagine what they would do with something
 
Because a lot of people disagree with the inequality of capitalism
 
This is better than nothing?

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No make shift shanty hospitals festering with disease and lacking supplies are the reality of what hospitals are like for the common man in the country.

Dat dengue
 
Inequality of capitalism

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While others live like this:
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Hahaha really? That’s your argument? Are we going to punish those who work hard and get ahead?

Let me ask you something how would you feel if your children got a subpar education while you have to watch the elites children go to schools in Sweden....you have a choice and chance under capitalism to rise from under that bridge and get that mansion. Under communism not so much bro your stuck in perpetual pergatory producing for the masses for nothing and you are nothing

It ain’t perfect, but it’s the best!
 
Hahaha really? That’s your argument? Are we going to punish those who work hard and get ahead?

Let me ask you something how would you feel if your children got a subpar education while you have to watch the elites children go to schools in Sweden....you have a choice and chance under capitalism to rise from under that bridge and get that mansion. Under communism not so much bro your stuck in perpetual pergatory producing for the masses for nothing and you are nothing

It ain’t perfect, but it’s the best!
I'm not arguing anything I'm just saying capitalism is putting more and more of the world's wealth into the hands of the richest people in the world. The majority of the world is getting poorer while the richest people in the world are getting even richer. That's why people are looking for other options like communism
 
I'm not arguing anything I'm just saying capitalism is putting more and more of the world's wealth into the hands of the richest people in the world. The majority of the world is getting poorer while the richest people in the world are getting even richer. That's why people are looking for other options like communism

Ah so the answer is to make everyone poor? Cause that’s communism
 
Inequality of capitalism

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While others live like this:
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This was the same under Communism though. Like the poster said earlier in this thread the political ideology has no way of stopping power hierarchies from being formed. It sounds nice to have the playing field more leveled among everyone but you continually saw the gap between the have and have not grow to massive proportions.
 
Ah so the answer is to make everyone poor? Cause that’s communism
I don't know what the answer is, obviously it hasn't been figured out yet. There are pros and cons to communism and same with capitalism but a perfect system hasn't been implemented anywhere yet. I don't think it ever will either
 
I don't know what the answer is, obviously it hasn't been figured out yet. There are pros and cons to communism and same with capitalism but a perfect system hasn't been implemented anywhere yet. I don't think it ever will either

Exactly! that’s my whole point. There is no perfect system and there never will be. Yet only one has been a powder keg for advancement so far. If an immigrant like me can come here and succeed not knowing the language and starting with zero then anyone can do it....and again only one system has allowed me to do that, the other just held me down in every form you can think of
 
Because a lot of people disagree with the inequality of capitalism

Can you make a living? Do you have ample food? Welp welcome to the “inequality of capatalism”

"Inequality of capitalism" does exist.

Unfortunately, it is often the lazy, the entitled and the freeloaders who makes the loudest noise against capitalism and drowns out the real plight of the exploited.
 
Better than not having a hospital or clinic at all, yes. Of course I'm not going to tell Cubans to be grateful for that shit either, they should aspire for better and they likely won't get it until they move away from their current system

Communist regimes generally held their death-grip over societies longer than fascist/military dictatorship alternatives. As we see with Chile, Spain, etc., while the military dictatorships were certainly not good, and cannot exactly boast improving people's lives to a significant extent, they were less of a permanent solution than the communism in Cuba, East Europe, Asia, and eventually molded into effective democracies/capitalist countries, which took advantage of modern technological advantages, far earlier than their communist counter-parts (some of which lag behind even today).

The Batista's of the world were easier to over-throw than the Castro's. Because nobody would actually be naive enough to believe that they were trying to "do good". The falsehood that Castro was "good" has remained even to this date, amongst many left-wing circles, and it is something that has granted his regime a far greater legitimacy and moral authority than it deserves.

Personally I prefer the military boot to the "humane" boot of communism, because again, it is not difficult to rally opposition against fascism. Communism will always have a large amount of sympathizers among the naive and ignorant.
 
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Poor people in developed countries never had this much comfort before, communism diminishes wealth inequality by simply making everyone poor. Besides the socialist party in control of the regime those usually have millions of dollars in some Swiss bank account.

That's a fairly superficial position. Communism diminishes wealth inequality by making everyone poor? That's a theoretical analysis of communism or are you substituting examples of corruption for actual analysis?

Capitalism creates wealth inequality by making one person rich and everyone else poor (until some form of socialism is applied to redistribute the wealth).
 
It's clearly a disaster. It boggles the mind that people are willing to die for communism. Today we still have rebels fighting some government in the foothills of some mountainous dump living off coconuts because they want everyone to be communists. Even though it doesn't seem to work very well.

Plus notice every communist country is a dictatorship and poor? That must be the reason why some power-hungry leaders like communism. Becase you can be a didictator.
Struggling communist fanatic rebels when get majority always become dictators.

Communists are the most fanatical group and kill millions upon millions of people. I don't get it.
Real communism has not existed yet.
 
It's clearly a disaster. It boggles the mind that people are willing to die for communism. Today we still have rebels fighting some government in the foothills of some mountainous dump living off coconuts because they want everyone to be communists. Even though it doesn't seem to work very well.

Plus notice every communist country is a dictatorship and poor? That must be the reason why some power-hungry leaders like communism. Becase you can be a didictator.
Struggling communist fanatic rebels when get majority always become dictators.

Communists are the most fanatical group and kill millions upon millions of people. I don't get it.

Because left-wingers are stupid.
 
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