Why Is Anderson Silva's Power So Underrated Here?

[jeremyemilio]

Clinch and thai clinch (especially thai clinch) in general is about technique more than strength.

If you have tight techniques you can out-clinch a stronger guy, because your balance will be superior.

Anderson has good stance.

The same can be said for wrestling tie ups and take downs... never stopped anyone from acknowledging that Matt Hughes was a beast.

 

[jeremyemilio]

Muhammad Ali keeps coming to mind

Yup. Ali's power was is also greatly underrated by people who don't know anything...

 

[scrap style**]

The thing that is scary when you watch Anderson he isn't throwing huge power shots. As everyone is saying it's his precision timing and technique, with his amazing reflexes and his head. He knows exactly when to strike.

 

[JayElectra]

He isn't the p4p puncher that Hamed was, obviously, but the way the land their punches and their general styles are fairly similar. Coincidentally, I think another one of Ingle's students, Herol Graham, is one of the closer stylistic counterparts of Silva in boxing (several other slick southpaws like Nunn or Byrd also bear some resemblance, or perhaps it's more correct to say that Silva bears some resemblance to them in terms of style). No one in boxing questions whether Hamed or Graham had very heavy hands, or chalked up their KO ratios primarily to exceptional timing and accuracy (though, again, that's obviously part of being a good puncher). It was commonly accepted. Saying that others hit harder is great and all, but it doesn't change the fact that he is blessed with extremely heavy hands. It's akin to saying the Ernie Shavers hit harder than Joe Louis. He likely had more raw power, but Joe was blessed with a tremendous amount of raw power, as well (in addition to great timing, hand speed and accuracy).

 

[Power of Pain**]

It has a lot to do with furthering the mythology around Silva. It isn't dissimilar to how some people constantly refer to his basic head movement (I don't mean to disparage when I say basic; sound fundamentals are the basis of greatness, often times) as "matrixing." It is as if people don't want to apply the same strictures and classifications to him as they do to everyone else. It's annoying and unnecessary. His greatness speaks for itself. Mythologizing his abilities takes away from them in some ways, I find.

Yeah, even though I seen that many times in Boxing.


But what makes Silva so great is that he is able to pull it off in MMA where as others would look like this:

 

[Power of Pain**]

The thing that is scary when you watch Anderson he isn't throwing huge power shots. As everyone is saying it's his precision timing and technique, with his amazing reflexes and his head. He knows exactly when to strike.

All which is complimented by his power.

Accuracy and speed don't mean shit if one does not have power.

 

[aRtFuL]

The same can be said for wrestling tie ups and take downs... never stopped anyone from acknowledging that Matt Hughes was a beast.

Matt Hughes, while has decent technique, is a lot more reliant brute strength than Anderson though.

What Anderson show us is one doesn't need to be super strong in order to have power. if your technique and speed can compensate for brute strength (because strength can also come from technique ie. the coordination of the timing of different muscle groups releasing additive force at the same time)

 

[jeremyemilio]

Nobody in here is disputing the fact that Anderson has good power, he just doesn't have the KO power of guys like Hendo, Guillard or Manhoef for example. I don't think it's idiotic at all to say he hurts a lot of guys because of his speed and accuracy because it's true. Let's also not forget that MMA gloves are a lot lighter than boxing gloves so naturally it would be a lot easier to KO opponents.

It's this type of silliness that makes TS so correct. Hendo has 13 wins by KO and 14 by decision (Anderson has 20 by KO and 7 by decision). More importantly, Hendo only really started starching people when he started head hunting with that crazy, lunging 'H-Bomb' (which, BTW, has failed to KO a number of times, even when landing pretty much right on the mark, as with Jake Shields and Shogun). You really think Anderson wouldn't shut people's lights out just as convincingly leaping into an overhand right like that? The point is, he doesn't need to; he has power to spare even without throwing wild hay-makers... like the one that got Hendo KO'd by Vitor.

 

[aRtFuL]

All which is complimented by his power.

Accuracy and speed don't mean shit if one does not have power.

Speed is also part of power.

Power = speed x strength

http://www.teachpe.com/gcse_health/strength_speed_power.php

A lot of people seems to confuse strength with power. Strength is NOT power. it is part of the power equation.

 

[Power of Pain**]

He isn't the p4p puncher that Hamed was, obviously, but the way the land their punches and their general styles are fairly similar. Coincidentally, I think another one of Ingle's students, Herol Graham, is one of the closer stylistic counterparts of Silva in boxing (several other slick southpaws like Nunn or Byrd also bear some resemblance, or perhaps it's more correct to say that Silva bears some resemblance to them in terms of style). No one in boxing questions whether Hamed or Graham had very heavy hands, or chalked up their KO ratios primarily to exceptional timing and accuracy (though, again, that's obviously part of being a good puncher). It was commonly accepted. Saying that others hit harder is great and all, but it doesn't change the fact that he is blessed with extremely heavy hands. It's akin to saying the Ernie Shavers hit harder than Joe Louis. He likely had more raw power, but Joe was blessed with a tremendous amount of raw power, as well (in addition to great timing, hand speed and accuracy).

I have a question. What did you think of Felix Trinidad? He had tremendous punching power. The man can knock anyone out from any angle.

Yet he was tall and lanky. 5'11 fighting as a welterweight (147) and then middleweight (160). Yet he hit viciously. Along with having 35 KO wins out of 42.

Another man that shows that it's not just about how big one looks.

MMA fans here coming from the post Lesnar era who knows shit about Boxing thinks one has to look like he's on steroids to hit hard naturally. This is beyond ridiculous. So when they see a tall and lanky Silva destroying dudes with punches, they think it's simply just because of accuracy and timing.

 

[Muppettoker]

How am I'm getting upset? Just annoyed at geeks like you who knows jack shit about Boxing while regurgitating nonsense that other haters make up.

So you are going by a quote of one guy who had no answer for Silva anyways and take that over Silva's actual performances? What quote did he make? That Silva is accurate? We all know that. So is Mayweather and Hopkins. Where is their power?

Explained to me how Silva does not have the one punch KO power as others do even though he score one punch KO wins especially from jabs and with a a punch that split a man's face open?

Go ahead.

Ok, who has he knock OUT COLD with one punch? And I mean proper starched. when people talk about real KO power this is what they mean.
Forrest was still moving( begging him to stop)
Irvin was coving up
Leben was still conscious (barely) after loads of hits

I never heard anyone (who has any unbiased sense) say he doesn't hit hard or isn't a KO machine but to get a title like "hardest hitter" or "most KO power" you need to really starch guy's. like most people are saying (including a fighter with a gd chin who actually got hit by him) he has good power but his biggest attributes are his speed and accuracy.
Stop getting upset and insulting people, you just sound infantile.

 

[jeremyemilio]

Matt Hughes, while has decent technique, is a lot more reliant brute strength than Anderson though.

What Anderson show us is one doesn't need to be super strong in order to have power. if your technique and speed can compensate for brute strength (because strength can also come from technique ie. the coordination of the timing of different muscle groups releasing additive force at the same time)

Based on what? That's the problem. Everyone on Sherdog just throws out a guess that Anderson isn't very strong and doesn't have heavy hands, based on pure speculation, and in the face of clear evidence to the contrary. Simply assuming it's all an illusion grounded in his exceptional 'technique,' and expecting that everyone else should unquestioningly assume the same, isn't really a very strong case.

 

[HIMBOB]

Its like when women underate how gorgeous I am because they are obsessed with how big my **** is.

Its not that his power sucks, is certainly above average, its just that his timing is utterly amazing.

 

[Power of Pain**]

Matt Hughes, while has decent technique, is a lot more reliant brute strength than Anderson though.

What Anderson show us is one doesn't need to be super strong in order to have power. if your technique and speed can compensate for brute strength (because strength can also come from technique ie. the coordination of the timing of different muscle groups releasing additive force at the same time)

Punching power comes a lot from tendon strength. Which explains why you will see a skinny dude in a street fight knock a bigger dude out cold but then turn around and see some muscular dude punch like a bitch, yet they will both punch with the same method.

Muscles does add to punching power when the right technique is administrated, but Brock Lesnar throwing a proper cross would still not be as powerful as George Foreman throwing the same punch the same way.

Same when comparing say Nate Marquart to Anderson Silva, when one is obviously more muscular then the other.

 

[PAPERCLIP30]

Lol at the most dumbest part. Read the Cote quote that another poster just posted. I wasn't discrediting his power, I'm just saying he doesn't have the same one punch ko power as other fighters. Keep swinging on his nuts and getting upset at posters who share their opinion while they aren't even insulting Silva.

Whoa whoa whoa you don't think Anderson Silva is the greatest person in the world?? Why do you hate him?

 

[jeremyemilio]

Ok, who has he knock OUT COLD with one punch? And I mean proper starched. when people talk about real KO power this is what they mean.
Forrest was still moving( begging him to stop)
Irvin was coving up
Leben was still conscious (barely) after loads of hits

I never heard anyone (who has any unbiased sense) say he doesn't hit hard or isn't a KO machine but to get a title like "hardest hitter" or "most KO power" you need to really starch guy's. like most people are saying (including a fighter with a gd chin who actually got hit by him) he has good power but his biggest attributes are his speed and accuracy.
Stop getting upset and insulting people, you just sound infantile.

The type of KO you're talking about doesn't happen very often, no matter who you are. People see a guy do it once and assume he's got bricks in his fist, but it usually has a lot to do with very specific circumstances.

Machida doesn't have amazing power, but he created Shadface, because he was battering Rashad against the cage and caught him on the button with a punch Rashad didn't see. Hendo smashed Bisping, but Bisping was moving into his punch and Hendo lunged forward with everything in his being, and caught Bisping exactly and precisely on the button.

I would argue that those are the types KO's that are the result of 'precision.' Just because Hendo's accuracy isn't generally anything spectacular, doesn't mean Bisping's chin knows that.

 

[SmilesNCries**]

Because his opponents don't see the strikes coming? You don't need to hit extremely hard when you can be as efficient as Anderson is.

 

[skombolis]

Awwww now we're calling people names. I might not know the most about boxing, but I have been watching since I was a child, and have trained for a little while. That's my opinion, so you don't need to lose sleep over it.

I actually agreed with your post completely

Of course Silva is a great striker with power But part of his power comes from where he hits someone and when he hit someone. He is a counter puncher so he uses their momentum against them to make the strike land twice as hard. Then you got knees to the sternum and liver, punches to the jaw, kicks to the head, etc. His speed,accuracy, and timing lets him hit someone where it will hurt the most and when it will hurt the most

Why anyone would see that as discounting his power i don't know. Some people have natural KO power. Others it comes from part natural power AND part tremendous skill. Anderson is the latter. That's a compliment to the guy not a rip

 

[HIMBOB]

I have a question. What did you think of Felix Trinidad? He had tremendous punching power. The man can knock anyone out from any angle.

Yet he was tall and lanky. 5'11 fighting as a welterweight (147) and then middleweight (160). Yet he hit viciously. Along with having 35 KO wins out of 42.

Another man that shows that it's not just about how big one looks.

MMA fans here coming from the post Lesnar era who knows shit about Boxing thinks one has to look like he's on steroids to hit hard naturally. This is beyond ridiculous. So when they see a tall and lanky Silva destroying dudes with punches, they think it's simply just because of accuracy and timing.

I am a 6'2" and at a boxing event a few years ago I took home a few hundred dollars woth of prizes for hardest p4p punch and hardest punch for anyone under 200,176 and 155 (I was 152), only one guy over 200 beat me in raw numbers.

I was perhaps more stunned than anyone else, I am lanky as hell.

Felt good man.

 

[Power of Pain**]

Ok, who has he knock OUT COLD with one punch? And I mean proper starched. when people talk about real KO power this is what they mean.
Forrest was still moving( begging him to stop)
Irvin was coving up
Leben was still conscious (barely) after loads of hits

I never heard anyone (who has any unbiased sense) say he doesn't hit hard or isn't a KO machine but to get a title like "hardest hitter" or "most KO power" you need to really starch guy's. like most people are saying (including a fighter with a gd chin who actually got hit by him) he has good power but his biggest attributes are his speed and accuracy.
Stop getting upset and insulting people, you just sound infantile.

Another ignorant post based of lack of intelligence. Let's apply logic here. Silva dropped Griffin and Okami with jabs. Now think for a sec what would had happen had he thrown a overhand right ala Hendo Bomb or Liddell.

Think it slowly little buddy.

Now...As for Chris Leban. He had a granite chin who was cracked for the first time by Silva. That is impressive enough. Talking about he was not knock out cold is pushing it.

Irvin was dropped from a punch to the cheek while Silva was holding his leg, meaning Silva did not apply full hip motion into his punch due to one arm being occupied in holding the leg. Yet the punch split Irvin's face open.

And how many times do we really see dudes get KO cold? Not even Mike Tyson did not get all his opponents to be KO cold all the time, and he had five times as many fights as Silva.

Silva still got a cold KO with a spinning elbow, which while not a punch, still requires for one to have KO power to get the KO from it.