Why I Left Fox News

[Jopious Extronimous]

I don't think a study from 2014 is very relevant to today's discussion. Imo CNN was more reliable back then. They didn't really start losing their shit until the last presidential election. They always leaned left, but not like they do now. During the Bush and Obama administrations I always felt they were the most honest.

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL yeah I never remember anyone calling it the ObamaNewsNetwork.

The intellectual dishonesty with you guys is hilarious.

 

[splendica]

How many indictments, subpoenas and pleas in the investigation now? At what point do you think posts like this are gonna result in anything but chuckles?



The president cheated on his wife with a pornstar and his attorney admittedly paid her off to be quiet. If that happened while Obama was president, Fox would've renamed itself the "ObamaCheatsNetwork" and would be running 24 coverage on it. But you're actually suggesting it's a non-issue that shouldn't be covered?

That makes you irrelevant. If you don't want to live in reality, don't try to discuss reality with people who do.

Bye bye.

How many indictments, subpoenas and pleas in the investigation now? At what point do you think posts like this are gonna result in anything but chuckles?



The president cheated on his wife with a pornstar and his attorney admittedly paid her off to be quiet. If that happened while Obama was president, Fox would've renamed itself the "ObamaCheatsNetwork" and would be running 24 coverage on it. But you're actually suggesting it's a non-issue that shouldn't be covered?

That makes you irrelevant. If you don't want to live in reality, don't try to discuss reality with people who do.

Bye bye.

You just described a determined hit effort against Trump. This is certainly due to deep state. And surprise surprise, CNN runs with it day and night. Propaganda 101.

Thankfully people are becoming skeptical of the singular narrative being peddled by MSM outside of FOX.

 

[HomerThompson]

Isn't that just because of your own bias, though? You're a big fan of Trump so you see any negative coverage as being an example of bias.

Precisely this. Night in, and night out, CNN has the most disgusting Trump sycophants on defended the indefensible. Saying that CNN has slid left is a poorly considered argument born out of tribalism.

What has happened, is that CNN has become obsessed with having combative panels taking up the majority of their airtime in primetime. They're lower brow, and more tabloid now.

As if any more proof of this was necessary, they have had approximately 2,565,800 hours of Stormy Daniels coverage in the last week.

 

[Madmick]

Ahh, but people want to outright ANY dissenting opinion that goes against their political bent. So I can post a link where Van Jones is declaring Russia interference a nothingburger, but because RT or project Veritas shows it the world It's dismissed outright:



Or a CNN producer:



And yet after this all came out, CNN still went Trump/Russia 24/7 and still is mixed with some Stormy Daniels.

Or the leaked questions from CNN staffers before she debated Bernie Sanders:

Project Veritas damaged its own credibility. RT is a Russian propaganda source. Yes, they're both crap.

Van Jones simply said that he didn't think it wise of liberals to depend on an imminent impeachment from the Russian investigation to thwart Trump's agenda. They needed to focus on a more coherent agenda of their own to forward rather than merely naysaying Trump. He never discredited the validity of the Russian investigation, and he certainly never suggested it was a hoax. He clarified all of his thoughts quite candidly:
http://deadline.com/2017/06/van-jon...onald-trump-russia-nothing-burger-1202122399/

That's your opinion and a person's who wasn't getting lots of calls after awhile of getting some.

That's called a narrative.

Yes, and Fox is engineering it by suppressing his dissenting voice. That is precisely what I said in the OP. This is the ethical failure.

 

[Jopious Extronimous]

You just described a determined hit effort against Trump. This is certainly due to deep state. And surprise surprise, CNN runs with it day and night. .

We get it, you're trolling the thread. No need to go as hard as you can, you'll be laughed at and ignored no matter how committed you are.

 

[DragRacer]

With all due respect, “breaking news” on the opposition networks regarding our president could be something like “Trump used Chinese shoe polish when meeting with foreign leaders”

To say they’re hysterical is a gross understatement.

A breaking news story about our President is being covered on ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC and CNN as "BREAKING", and it isn't being covered on Fox. It makes the bottom crawl about 5 minutes after the news breaks. Why? What do you assume the reasoning is?

Now realize that situation occurs almost DAILY. Are you still gonna tell me they're all the same, or is it pretty evident one stands above the others when it comes to acting with inherent bias?

This suggestion that "Fox is no worse than" as we're discussing a letter from one of it's employees who quit specifically because IT IS WORSE THAN other networks, is just lunacy.

 

[Steve-French]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL yeah I never remember anyone calling it the ObamaNewsNetwork.

The intellectual dishonesty with you guys is hilarious.

Take a breath there pancakes... I'm just speaking from my perspective as I felt that CNN was the most reliable of the 24 hour news networks during the Bush and Obama years. If you can put your Dukes down for a second you might see that you actually agree with me in this instance.

 

[Jack V Savage]

You just described a determined hit effort against Trump. This is certainly due to deep state. And surprise surprise, CNN runs with it day and night. Propaganda 101.

Thankfully people are becoming skeptical of the singular narrative being peddled by MSM outside of FOX.

How does the facts that CNN aired live footage of Trump's rallies, hired Lewandowski (and generally replaced their conservative commentators with ones more Trump-friendly), and covered the Clinton email thing more than all other issues combined during the campaign fit with your theory?

In more-savvy circles, CNN is ripped for several highly unusual and at least ethically questionable decisions that had the effect of helping Trump and for its tabloidization.

 

[HomerThompson]

How does the facts that CNN aired live footage of Trump's rallies, hired Lewandowski (and generally replaced their conservative commentators with ones more Trump-friendly), and covered the Clinton email thing more than all other issues combined during the campaign fit with your theory?

 

[Jopious Extronimous]

With all due respect, “breaking news” on the opposition networks regarding our president could be something like “Trump used Chinese shoe polish when meeting with foreign leaders”

And when the news is Trump firing a member of his cabinet because of a public disagreement on policy?

I understand you can only counter my point by pretending the stories never matter, but surprise, they almost always do. And when I referred to stories Fox was ignoring, I wasn't talking about "chinese nail painting" or anything remotely as unimportant.

So what's the excuse? Can you admit Fox is worse than the others, or do you need to narrow what I'm talking about down to a single unimportant instance that never even really happened to refute my point?

Take a breath there pancakes...

Oh you're really running out of gas, already falling back on "why u mad bro"? Up your game.

I'm just speaking from my perspective as I felt that CNN was the most reliable of the 24 hour news networks during the Bush and Obama years

Your personal opinion is irrelevant to the nation's views as a whole and considering the statements you've made, I wouldn't even trust them to be truthful or accurate. So they're completely irrelevant.

If you can put your Dukes down for a second

"no but seriously, why u mad bro?"

Sorry being told why you're wrong has been so jarring, but my words have just been words the whole time. If they're scaring you, let me know, I'll use a lighter font.

you might see that you actually agree with me in this instance.

No, I don't. I don't agree that "all networks are biased" and that "fox is no worse than CNN". I think everything you've said has been a pretty pathetic justification for being an easily duped victim of propaganda.

 

[Steve-French]

Isn't that just because of your own bias, though? You're a big fan of Trump so you see any negative coverage as being an example of bias.

I am not a big fan of Trump, I voted for him but I am not crazy about a lot of the things he does. I'll remain optimistic as I want my country to succeed, but I'm not going to get on board with everything just because I voted for him.

CNN is being just as Petty to Trump as Fox was to Obama. For example...

 

[Steve-French]

And when the news is Trump firing a member of his cabinet because of a public disagreement on policy?

I understand you can only counter my point by pretending the stories never matter, but surprise, they almost always do. And when I referred to stories Fox was ignoring, I wasn't talking about "chinese nail painting" or anything remotely as unimportant.

So what's the excuse? Can you admit Fox is worse than the others, or do you need to narrow what I'm talking about down to a single unimportant instance that never even really happened to refute my point?



Oh you're really running out of gas, already falling back on "why u mad bro"? Up your game.



Your personal opinion is irrelevant to the nation's views as a whole and considering the statements you've made, I wouldn't even trust them to be truthful or accurate. So their completely irrelevant.



"no but seriously, why u mad bro?"

Sorry being told why you're wrong has been so jarring, but my words have just been words the whole time. If they're scaring you, let me know, I'll use a lighter font.



No, I don't. I don't agree that "all networks are biased" and that "fox is no worse than CNN". I think everything you've said has been a pretty pathetic justification for being an easily duped victim of propaganda.

I'm not mad at all brother, but our exchange is going nowhere due to your one-sidedness, so I'm not going to respond to you anymore itt.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I am not a big fan of Trump, I voted for him but I am not crazy about a lot of the things he does. I'll remain optimistic as I want my country to succeed, but I'm not going to get on board with everything he does just because I voted for him.

But you perceive any negative coverage as "bias."

And I'll note that none of the people pushing the "CNN is left-biased" line can answer the questions I asked. I don't think there's any possible answer so just kind of hoping that those facts don't get noticed is the only possible approach.

CNN is being just as Petty to Trump as Fox was to Obama. For example...

Be honest: Do you not notice a huge difference of tone in those two pieces?

 

[Jopious Extronimous]

I'm not mad at all brother, but our exchange is going nowhere due to your one-sidedness, so I'm not going to respond to you anymore itt.

Yeah I'm just way too biased, agreeing with the former Fox employee and fully articulating my points. There's just no reasoning with me when I'm so out there.

Concession accepted.

 

[Amerikuracana]

Fox works for the same money as everybody else. They harp on a few of the b.s. issues that appeal to older white conservatives, while pushing the same crap in the big picture. It's all garbage. Watch local news until that dies as well.

Fox had Herman Cain on to knock Trump for pointing out that Amazon was making billions off taxpayer money through postal service losses. Trump is right, again, and the idiot talking head just said "free market" a few times and everybody else gave him idiotic winks like they understood something, while looking as retarded as fox has for 15 years.

This is why Trump won. He was anti-fox news and anti-cnn. That means he has a chance at telling the truth on a couple issues that matter.

 

[Quequeg]

Trump anti-fox news, straight up delusional, he gets his daily talking point from fox n friends.

 

[splendica]

Project Veritas damaged its own credibility. RT is a Russian propaganda source. Yes, they're both crap.

Van Jones simply said that he didn't think it wise of liberals to depend on an imminent impeachment from the Russian investigation to thwart Trump's agenda. They needed to focus on a more coherent agenda of their own to forward rather than merely naysaying Trump. He never discredited the validity of the Russian investigation, and he certainly never suggested it was a hoax. He clarified all of his thoughts quite candidly:
http://deadline.com/2017/06/van-jon...onald-trump-russia-nothing-burger-1202122399/

Yes, and Fox is engineering it by suppressing his dissenting voice. That is precisely what I said in the OP. This is the ethical failure.

By suppessing his voice by not putting him on as much or at all? I'm pretty sure he still has a voice.

 

[Jopious Extronimous]

This is why Trump won. He was anti-fox news and anti-cnn. That means he has a chance at telling the truth on a couple issues that matter.

I'm not sure I've ever read something that made me shake my head more. Trump's never been anything remotely close to anti-fox, and he owes them and CNN for his victory more than any two entities in existence.

And finishing it up with "that means he has a chance to tell the truth"?! Have you just not been on earth for the last 2 years? I'm legit confused how you can type stuff like that and actually be a citizen of this earth.

The reality is Trump used sheer bullshit, CNN and Fox to keep himself the most talked about topic in America, assuring voters were making choices based on their opinion of him and not what was best for the country. Since he's been elected he's literally BEEN WATCHING FOX for public talking points and help on policy decisions. He literally parrots them in tweets.

Come on man...

 

[Durr T Sanchez]

Anytime I see a CNN panel it's always 4 to 1 against the conservative with the liberal host controlling the discussion by redirecting the conversation, talk over and cutting off the conservative guest, and even just flat out cutting their mic and going to commercial at times.

Fox news definitely sucks but it's pretty ridiculous to try and defend CNN post Trump. Same goes for the MSNBC, NYT, and most other mainstream outlets.

Only an absolute dolt would compare the two. CNN is center/neoliberal center left at best and isn't nearly as shameless or distorting as FNC.

A dolt?lol! You're butthurt over my opinion. I even stated a few comments later that FOX is obviously worse than CNN. I think McDonalds and Jack n the Box are both garbage too but at least one has Happy Meals. Besides its my opinion so calm the fuck down.

 

[splendica]

MSM on Trump disavowing hate groups: