Why I Left Fox News

[Trotsky]

CNN and FOX are just echo chambers..theyre both garbage

Only an absolute dolt would compare the two. CNN is center/neoliberal center left at best and isn't nearly as shameless or distorting as FNC.

 

[Jack V Savage]

What the hell is this nonsense?

The unfortunate success of the Fox model of exploiting rubes is what shifted mainstream media in that direction to begin with. The cause ain't the cure, this isn't homeopathy.

Obviously, Seano isn't starting with, "what's the best way to ensure that the public is reliably informed about gov't?" and then concluding, "we need Fox to spread bullshit narratives that run counter to what I perceive as bullshit narratives in the other direction." The starting point is, "Fox is in my tribe and they were criticized. What can I say to defend them that doesn't get me laughed at?" I think the "liberal media" myth should be laughed at, but it's promoted so hard on the right that they don't get how stupid it is.

 

[Steve-French]

You did not. You failed to substantiate that assertion. This is precisely the issue.

How? My first post itt was directly quoting that dude. Then I responded to the rebuttal, then you jumped in and I explained my-self.

 

[splendica]

This thread is fucking hilarious.

"All news networks are biased, Fox is no different than CNN! And you're a fool if you watch it."

Yet amazingly, those same people are the ones constantly regurgitating narratives from Fox News. WEIRD. It's almost like, they're fools....

Ahh, but people want to outright ANY dissenting opinion that goes against their political bent. So I can post a link where Van Jones is declaring Russia interference a nothingburger, but because RT or project Veritas shows it the world It's dismissed outright:



Or a CNN producer:



And yet after this all came out, CNN still went Trump/Russia 24/7 and still is mixed with some Stormy Daniels.

Or the leaked questions from CNN staffers before she debated Bernie Sanders:

 

[Jopious Extronimous]

At least the conservatives itt can admit that Fox News can be shit and pushes a narrative while the liberals see CNN as some sort of gospel. CNN like Fox isn't all bad and both report news, but they both have an agenda, and that's all I've been trying to point out.

Number of conservative posters repeating narratives from Fox News: Damn near all of them.

Number of liberal posters referring to CNN as "gospel": 0


Try again. This fantasy idea that you guys totally acknowledge how awful Fox is while we protect and covet CNN is complete bullshit. More CNN articles are posted here by whiny conservatives than actual liberals. And the only defense of CNN present here, is that it is in NO WAY as bad as Fox. No one here has suggested it's devoid of bias, but until you can show me a letter from a CNN employee quitting because the network is "a propaganda" machine, your equivalency is complete bullshit.

News is biased. Everyone agrees. Only conservatives can't seem to acknowledge how awful Fox is without copious amounts of "but CNN and NBC". And even then, they're still going to Fox for news and repeating it's lies.

So no, it's not the same. That's why we have a thread about a Fox employee leaving because the network is a joke, and we don't have the same thread about CNN. That is the topic of the thread, in case you forgot.

 

[splendica]

You're getting warmer...

They effectively censored him: their own, long-trusted top Russian official.

That's your opinion and a person's who wasn't getting lots of calls after awhile of getting some.

That's called a narrative.

 

[Seano]

What the hell is this nonsense?

The unfortunate success of the Fox model of exploiting rubes is what shifted mainstream media in that direction to begin with. The cause ain't the cure, this isn't homeopathy.

No need for sides taking here. We're all being duped by media bias. All of us who depend on MSM anyway.

 

[DragRacer]

I listen to Fox on XM in my truck a lot of the time, but I recognize it for what it is. It’s not just biased, it’s a propaganda arm of the republicans so I run everything they’re saying through a filter when there’s a subject of contention being discussed.

MSNBC/CNN are clear activists for the current opposition party, so their level of hysteria is just too much for me to handle most of the time.

The whole system is a mess in that regard , it’s depressing what “journalism” has become.
Hack partisan fuckery presented as legitimate journalism , and those who can’t see that it’s just as bad on both sides of the cable news coin are the most egregious hacks of all of us.

"All news networks are biased, Fox is no different than CNN! And you're a fool if you watch it."
..

 

[splendica]

I still support Trump and FOX. I know they make mistakes but are doing a great job and I'm thankful for them.

 

[HomerThompson]

This thread is fucking hilarious.

"All news networks are biased, Fox is no different than CNN! And you're a fool if you watch it."

Yet amazingly, those same people are the ones constantly regurgitating narratives from Fox News. WEIRD. It's almost like, they're fools....

"I love the poorly educated."

 

[Jack V Savage]

At least the conservatives itt can admit that Fox News can be shit and pushes a narrative while the liberals see CNN as some sort of gospel. CNN like Fox isn't all bad and both report news, but they both have an agenda, and that's all I've been trying to point out.

This is a few years old, though it's the most up-to-date study on the issue I'm aware of:

http://www.journalism.org/2014/10/21/political-polarization-media-habits/

47% of "consistently conservative" respondents list Fox News as their main source of news, compared to 15% of "consistently liberal" respondents naming CNN.

Also, with regard to "some sort of gospel," I think almost everyone realizes that something reported on a major news show is very likely to be true and that mistakes sometimes get through. The issue is more the judgment and the dubious "experts" Fox has on these days.

 

[Trotsky]

Also LOL @ this guy growing a conscience now.

Fox News has been just as bad, if not worse, than it is now since Obama was elected. Remember them openly calling Obama a communist foreigner and using a chalkboard to tie him to Hitler?

 

[Madmick]

How? My first post itt was directly quoting that dude. Then I responded to the rebuttal, then you jumped in and I explained my-self.

This post:

All I was implying is that Fox and CNN are the same shit, but different pile; and it's hilarious that one could even suggest that CNN doesn't do the same thing as Fox does, especially since the Trump era.

You have failed to produce a single whistleblower testifying the same thing about coverage on the major "liberal" networks. I have named four in this thread alone from Fox.

 

[Jopious Extronimous]

Ahh, but people want to outright ANY dissenting opinion that goes against their political bent. So I can post a link where Van Jones is declaring Russia interference a nothingburger, but because RT or project Veritas shows it the world It's dismissed outright:

How many indictments, subpoenas and pleas in the investigation now? At what point do you think posts like this are gonna result in anything but chuckles?

Or a CNN producer:



And yet after this all came out, CNN still went Trump/Russia 24/7 and still is mixed with some Stormy Daniels.

The president cheated on his wife with a pornstar and his attorney admittedly paid her off to be quiet. If that happened while Obama was president, Fox would've renamed itself the "ObamaCheatsNetwork" and would be running 24 coverage on it. But you're actually suggesting it's a non-issue that shouldn't be covered?

That makes you irrelevant. If you don't want to live in reality, don't try to discuss reality with people who do.

Bye bye.

 

[HomerThompson]

At least the conservatives itt can admit that Fox News can be shit and pushes a narrative while the liberals see CNN as some sort of gospel. CNN like Fox isn't all bad and both report news, but they both have an agenda, and that's all I've been trying to point out.

Quote anyone on this board holding up CNN as a paragon of journalism. I'll wait. Better yet, quote @Madmick or myself doing that.

Back up your assertions with evidence, buddeh.

 

[Jack V Savage]

No need for sides taking here. We're all being duped by media bias. All of us who depend on MSM anyway.

The propagandists and people in gov't abusing their power don't need to convince people that lies are truth to win; they just need people to not believe anything and then decide based on tribalism.

Or to quote Hannah Arendt:

In an ever-changing, incomprehensible world the masses had reached the point where they would, at the same time, believe everything and nothing, think that everything was possible and that nothing was true. ... Mass propaganda discovered that its audience was ready at all times to believe the worst, no matter how absurd, and did not particularly object to being deceived because it held every statement to be a lie anyhow. The totalitarian mass leaders based their propaganda on the correct psychological assumption that, under such conditions, one could make people believe the most fantastic statements one day, and trust that if the next day they were given irrefutable proof of their falsehood, they would take refuge in cynicism; instead of deserting the leaders who had lied to them, they would protest that they had known all along that the statement was a lie and would admire the leaders for their superior tactical cleverness.

 

[HomerThompson]

Ahh, but people want to outright ANY dissenting opinion that goes against their political bent. So I can post a link where Van Jones is declaring Russia interference a nothingburger, but because RT or project Veritas shows it the world It's dismissed outright:



Or a CNN producer:



And yet after this all came out, CNN still went Trump/Russia 24/7 and still is mixed with some Stormy Daniels.

Or the leaked questions from CNN staffers before she debated Bernie Sanders:

 

[Steve-French]

This is a few years old, though it's the most up-to-date study on the issue I'm aware of:

http://www.journalism.org/2014/10/21/political-polarization-media-habits/

47% of "consistently conservative" respondents list Fox News as their main source of news, compared to 15% of "consistently liberal" respondents naming CNN.

I don't think a study from 2014 is very relevant to today's discussion. On a side note I think CNN was more reliable back then. They didn't really start losing their shit until the last presidential election. They always leaned left, but not like they do now. During the Bush and Obama administrations I always felt they were the most honest.

 

[Jopious Extronimous]

I listen to Fox on XM in my truck a lot of the time, but I recognize it for what it is. It’s not just biased, it’s a propaganda arm of the republicans so I run everything they’re saying through a filter when there’s a subject of contention being discussed.

MSNBC/CNN are clear activists for the current opposition party, so their level of hysteria is just too much for me to handle most of the time.

The whole system is a mess in that regard , it’s depressing what “journalism” has become.
Hack partisan fuckery presented as legitimate journalism , and those who can’t see that it’s just as bad on both sides of the cable news coin are the most egregious hacks of all of us.

A breaking news story about our President is being covered on ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC and CNN as "BREAKING", and it isn't being covered on Fox. It makes the bottom crawl about 5 minutes after the news breaks. Why? What do you assume the reasoning is?

Now realize that situation occurs almost DAILY. Are you still gonna tell me they're all the same, or is it pretty evident one stands above the others when it comes to acting with inherent bias?

This suggestion that "Fox is no worse than" as we're discussing a letter from one of it's employees who quit specifically because IT IS WORSE THAN other networks, is just lunacy.

 

[Jack V Savage]

I don't think a study from 2014 is very relevant to today's discussion. Imo CNN was more reliable back then. They didn't really start losing their shit until the last presidential election. They always leaned left, but not like they do now. During the Bush and Obama administrations I always felt they were the most honest.

Isn't that just because of your own bias, though? You're a big fan of Trump so you see any negative coverage as being an example of bias.