Why Francis is so concerned about money?

[surgeyou1]

This is one of the dumbest threads I've ever seen

"You were poor so you should just be grateful for what you have and let the promotion undercut you"

 

[kflo]

It’s of course retarded to think fighters shouldn’t care about what they make and just be glad for what they do make. This is their shot. Now.

 

[Hey Soos]

So all you're saying is a fighter has to be that 0.1 percent with the innate abilities to be a champ and they have to burn their prime faster taking on prime opponents 3 times a year and increasing chance of injury, burnout and taking career shortening damage.

How are you not an adviser to fighter with nuggets of wisdom like that?

Usman fought 3 times this year as champion. If fighters want to get paid more they have to fight more. It's that simple. If they feel comfortable fighting once a year and getting ring rust it's up to them.

 

[avenue94]

1mil a fight is table scraps?

On events that can be making $50 million? 2 percent seems pretty shitty as a slice of the piece to me.

He should've fought 5 times this year,

An elite fighter should have fought once every 2 and a half months with no break between camps? That kind of schedule is almost impossible based on medical suspensions a lot. Good to know you see fighters are people and not disposable products.

Usman fought 3 times this year as champion. If fighters want to get paid more they have to fight more. It's that simple. If they feel comfortable fighting once a year and getting ring rust it's up to them.

I'm good with 2 defenses a year since that's enough time to recover and that's how many fights the UFC has to offer annually. But "just fight more" is shit logic to solving fighter pay.

He is free to go somewhere else and try to present his worth in another career.

You must not have ever read a UFC contract if you think fighters are just free to go elsewhere lol.

Anthony joshua and deontay wilder both fought 4 times in a 12 month span when they won their titles. For joshua that 4th fight was against klitschko.

Are we really comparing bog standard boxing mandatories against what a UFC champ faces? I'm pretty sure a lot of champs would be happy crushing fringe top 10 fighters, but that's not usually what the UFC serves up. Not to mention the higher rate of injury in camps in mma makes it hard to maintain a boxer's frequency of schedule.

 

[2004 account]

Because people make so much more doing fuck all (Youtubers, Youtube Fighters, Boxers, NFL, NBA, literally every other major sport)

UFC does not split revenue equally with fighters

This is the only response needed to answer a dumb question.

 

[pv3Hpv3p]

- Less than ten years ago he was one of the poorest human being in a third world country (cameroon)

- less than five years ago he was a poor man in a first world country (france)

- now he is milionnaire (he did that pretty fast, props to him)

He should be grateful from what he have now, why people are becoming so ungrateful and greedy more they get rich?

I would praise dana everyday if i was in his position

it's above me....

Why would you ever want a raise at work? Why do you negotiate for a higher rate when talking on a new job? You should be grateful with whatever your employer is willing to pay you.

 

[Pancake Sprawl]

On events that can be making $50 million? 2 percent seems pretty shitty as a slice of the piece to me.

1 million dollars is more than a lot of people will make in their entire fucking life. people can live off the "table scraps" you're talking about for the rest of their lives. if they were making 10 trillion dollars and Ngannou was getting paid 100mil you'd be over here talking about how it's still table scraps. please miss me with this over exaggeration. am i really supposed to believe Ngannou has to borrow money after making 1 MILLION DOLLARS A FIGHT?!

that's why it's hard to agree with people so "impassioned" by fighter's pay. so many people make fucking ridiculous comparisons in order to try and garner more sympathy and outrage. why can't they just not get paid enough? why does the narrative always have to be Ngannou is living in a cardboard box eating his own toenails for sustenance while UFC is over here living an exorbitant lifestyle doing absolutely nothing but threatening fighters with death in order to keep them fighting for free?

people compare it to slavery, which is insane. slaves DON'T GET PAID. slaves don't CHOOSE TO BE SLAVES. the constant exaggeration by sherdoggers of how poor multi-millionaire fighters are is laughable.

look, i've always agreed with the general idea that UFC fighters are underpaid, MMA fighters in general are underpaid, but this hyperbole bullshit needs to stop. it's just posters trying to make ridiculous analogies to get more likes. that's really it. because none of you are actually doing anything besides posting on sherdog and arguing with people like me about it.

 

[KAZSoliloquy]

he comes from extreme poverty, is in a great position to make a lot of money being the heavyweight champion of the world, and wants to be paid as such. what’s your issue with that?

 

[avenue94]

1 million dollars is more than a lot of people will make in their entire fucking life.

Most people can't generate the revenue a professional prize fighter like Ngannou does. Aren't we supposed to be embracing capitalism and wanting more valuable labor being compensated accordingly?

if they were making 10 trillion dollars and Ngannou was getting paid 100mil you'd be over here talking about how it's still table scraps. please miss me with this over exaggeration.

Again, this is why people talk about wage share, not absolute wages. The UFC is going to collect however much money it does per event, the only question is how you think it should be divied up between promoter and fighter.

am i really supposed to believe Ngannou has to borrow money after making 1 MILLION DOLLARS A FIGHT?!

He's probably not great with money, but that's neither here nor there really. Can't make people smart with money, but you can give them the legal tools to earn closer to their value.

that's why it's hard to agree with people so "impassioned" by fighter's pay.

Fight fans tend to like seeing fighters, particularly their favorites, get compensated well for very dangerous work. Unless you're telling me you tune in for Dana and to see the UFC logo.

. slaves DON'T GET PAID.

Funny thing is that slaves do get paid. Crack open a history book lol.

but this hyperbole bullshit needs to stop.

Can't really help ya here since I don't think it's comparable to slavery. It is, however, far too close to indentured servitude, and if someone has to say "well, actually ___ isn't indentured servitude in 2021," it's probably not a great power dynamic already. Or in practical terms, when you have to mention the 13th Amendment in relation to mma contracts, that's not encouraging.

 

[skylolow]

Businesses just don't hand out extra money, you earn it, you ask for it, you prove your worth it. That is what he is doing. I don't have any problem with any fighter doing that when they are active. When flights come up you have to get your worth and he is 100% right that some fights are worth more (ie: Jones fight). Now if your Frank Shamrock squawking on the sidelines for year after year when you're a free agent, that becomes your issue and you look like a fool after doing that for years.

 

[scorpiorising]

Op is a retard.

Make that money while you can.

 

[Boxingfan998]

Literally every African athlete in Europe is like that. Mercenaries obsessed with getting filthy rich.
That's the mentality in those parts. Only ones without that mentality are the ones that actually stay in Africa and are like stoic & peaceful.

 

[Athlas]

Literally every African athlete in Europe is like that. Mercenaries obsessed with getting filthy rich.
That's the mentality in those parts. Only ones without that mentality are the ones that actually stay in Africa and are like stoic & peaceful.

There are many like him on this board, like that @TempleoftheDog guy.

 

[Oozing BDE]

I would praise dana everyday if i was in his position

Why does the ex-boxercise instructor/doorman want more money?

 

[djacobox372]

Less than ten years from now he might be retired. Needs to make it while he still can.

10 years? He's 35 already, he might be retired in less than 2 years. Heck he's lucky he isn't already retired.

 

[mjfan23]

Cause he’s French ?

 

[Black0ut]

On 1 hand, he is the HW champ “baddest man on the planet” and did defeat the UFC HW GOAT to do it.

on the other, he hasn’t had a title defense yet and could very well lose this fight.

UFC pay ain’t great but they’re not gunna pay you like a superstar when your not one, and Francis isn’t (yet)

 

[spinup]

1 million dollars is more than a lot of people will make in their entire fucking life. people can live off the "table scraps" you're talking about for the rest of their lives. if they were making 10 trillion dollars and Ngannou was getting paid 100mil you'd be over here talking about how it's still table scraps. please miss me with this over exaggeration. am i really supposed to believe Ngannou has to borrow money after making 1 MILLION DOLLARS A FIGHT?!.

FFS you guys are really thick. Get stuff right at least:

He borrowed money before the title fight.
His previous fight was vs Jarzinho, he made around 300k (before paying coaches, gym, agent, taxes, etc...)
He supports financially a foundation where dozens of kids can train for free (including BJJ is, boxing gloves)
He supports his family in Cameroon and had a house built for his mom.
He had to wait almost a year, and the Stipe fight was postponed several times, stretching his training camp over 15 weeks. Camps cost money.

He didn't complain about the paycheck, he complained about the UFC having left him on the backburner for so long not giving him any decent fight offer.

 

[Simple Southerner]

Lol what a stupid ass question & thread

 

[tkotom]

You must not have ever read a UFC contract if you think fighters are just free to go elsewhere lol.

Nobody forced him to sign it. He could have gone straight into boxing.

If you sign a loan with the bank, does crying get you out of it? And then do a bunch of sherdoggers come to your defense?