Why dont some BJJ fighters have TDs?

[kuroro]

Vieira is solid meat and potatoes BJJ.

Obviously there’s still guys with the old school BJJ mentality who would make a great transition imo: Felipe Pena, Buchecha, Mason Fowler, etc. but those guys are few.

The majority of BJJ competitions now start with guys flopping on their backs and butt scooting towards each other to spam leg locks and sweeps.

 

[TheMessiah]

Lol, as a white belt i had double leg classes.

Bjj has takedowns, the problem is that there are levels to this and one must focus on the aspect to become actually good.

Are you from the US? I'm from the UK and double legs aren't taught here

 

[Human Bass]

Are you from the US? I'm from the UK and double legs aren't taught here

Brazil. It would usually be in no gi day.


But yeah, the secret is to not be shy and ask.

 

[sampuncher]

Tony uses urinami rolls pretty succesfully.

 

[sampuncher]

Are you from the US? I'm from the UK and double legs aren't taught here

Yeah they are, or they usually are at least. I see you're from London, where abouts do you train?

 

[SirKratos]

Its not like you don't train how to take an opponent down in BJJ

its a decent question. If you are such a ground based fighter you would think you would work on how you plan to get it to the ground a bit more.

I know you are just being the devils advocate here, but at least 95% of the time BJJ practitioners work on ground maneuvers instead of takedowns, so the workload just isn't the same

 

[kellier]

Freestyle takedowns aren't bread & butter in BJJ. We have a wrestling coach come 1 day a wk to our school, but some schools don't.

A lot of throws are gi based. For traditional trips, you need to clinch or body lock and therefore come into boxing range.

 

[horc00]

Fighters like Ortega and Ferguson. They have exceptional BJJ but they rarely use TDs to capitalize on it. Why?

 

[Xuh]

They are taught to start BJing on their knees and end up on their back with their legs spread. They don't spend much (if any) time learning how to bang standing up.

 

[Candy Routure]

 

[OneManGang]

Takedowns requires strength and athleticism, both of which most BJJ nerds don’t have, and hence they always begin their “rolling” from their knees or guard, and they win gold in their competitions without ever taking anyone down and they use positions that would get you killed in a real fight. All to accommodate the pencil necked BJJ geeks and nerds lack of athleticism and raise their self esteem so that they believe they are real fighters.

 

[Coconutwater]

Rodolfo would disagree

C’mon bro, you pick like the one, pure BJJ guy repping GFT as representative of jiu Jitsu knowing full well only he has solid judo to help with his takedowns while Buchecha has wrestling. Other than these two, the rest kind of suck at taking someone down.

 

[Rampage_Jackson]

I know you are just being the devils advocate here, but at least 95% of the time BJJ practitioners work on ground maneuvers instead of takedowns, so the workload just isn't the same

Nobody is questioning the ratio of how much they drill take downs. The question is why don't the drill them more? specifically guys who are crossing over to MMA. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

 

[Coconutwater]

Nobody is questioning the ratio of how much they drill take downs. The question is why don't the drill them more? specifically guys who are crossing over to MMA. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

Seriously.

Look at Kron Gracie... man... his ground game is wicked but I have better takedowns than him. It’s sad.

 

[MarleyLynx]

watch john danahers talk on it.

 

[TheMessiah]

Yeah they are, or they usually are at least. I see you're from London, where abouts do you train?

I train in Ray Stevens academy. I guess they don't teach it since they also teach a lot of judo and DL aren't allowed in judo

 

[Iron Skin]

 

[NoStoneUnturned]

Walk into a HS wrestling room in America and watch. Walk into most BJJ academies and watch. This will explain all you need to know.

Wrestlers don’t know submissions because they don’t practice them. Bjj practitioners don’t know takedowns because most don’t practice them. One reason they don’t is the risk of injury. Takedowns in a wrestling room is where most get hurt.

 

[CorninginChristianburg]

Wrestling (folkstyle, freestyle, greco, and sambo) has long passed BJJ as a base, but kickboxing (including all forms of striking) is also passing BJJ, though I don't think it will ever catch wrestling.

Strikers in early days had exceptionally porous TDD. Strikers these days have much better TDD, and their TDD has improved more than the offensive wrestling capabilities of BJJ base fighters. Today a striker is likely to be able to keep the fight on the feet and then pick apart the jiu jitsu based specialist, and most fights end up being fist-fights.

 

[morrisondafalln]

Well i figure when training bjj the start on the ground more often then not. Versus starting on the feet and focusing taking someone down. Bjj is more of a defensive measure so that may be the reason why.