Why dont some BJJ fighters have TDs?

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  1. JohnMangala Purple Belt

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    Fighters like Ortega and Ferguson. They have exceptional BJJ but they rarely use TDs to capitalize on it. Why?
     
  2. SirKratos Silver Belt

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    Newsflash, BJJ and wrestling are different things that require different skills

    2014 account... come on dude
     
  3. Rampage_Jackson Red Belt

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    Its not like you don't train how to take an opponent down in BJJ

    its a decent question. If you are such a ground based fighter you would think you would work on how you plan to get it to the ground a bit more.
     
  4. Get To Da Choppa Purple Belt

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    Why train for takedowns when your BJJ butt scoot scares top fighters away
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    it's not some it's most
     
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  6. erron Orange Belt

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    maybe they prefer pulling guard or trips in the clinch more than just shooting?
     
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    Because IBJJF and even ADCC rules have been modified to encourage flopping to your back.


    BJJ used to be a solid feeder program to MMA... now it’s a joke.

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  8. Luckyme Blue Belt

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    They don't emphasize takedowns in BJJ. At my BJJ school, sparring would usually start with both people on their knees. It's perfectly normal to pull guard in competitions.
     
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  9. Rampage_Jackson Red Belt

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    If you aren't competent from trips from guard why even join MMA as a BJJ practitioner?
     
  10. pride_rules Purple Belt

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    the age old question. thats been answered 1000s of times lol
     
  11. Crackerjack Banned Banned

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    Cos BJJ is a poor 3rd place to wrestling and sambo
     
  12. EndlessCritic Steel Belt

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    Rodolfo would disagree
     
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  13. BrazilianDude Gold Belt

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    1 - many are guard players
    2 - they think they do because their TDs work in bjj. Things change when they face fighters with a wrestling background... Brazilians will most likely never face a wrestler until they fight out of the country, for example.
     
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    This is true. Plus guys just try to score a point and stall to "win". That doesn't translate to a real fight or even MMA.
     
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    Vieira is solid meat and potatoes BJJ.

    Obviously there’s still guys with the old school BJJ mentality who would make a great transition imo: Felipe Pena, Buchecha, Mason Fowler, etc. but those guys are few.

    The majority of BJJ competitions now start with guys flopping on their backs and butt scooting towards each other to spam leg locks and sweeps.
     
  16. G10 Orange Belt

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    Depends on the fighter. There are so many different approaches to training and preparing that fighters just have to maximize their best strengths and minimize their weaknesses. Only the true greats of the sport can do everything well at a high level, including offensive wrestling and BJJ. And besides, there are some that are great at both. Prime Jacare had a wicked double-leg takedown and great guard. Werdum had decent takedown ability when he chose to use it. Heck, people bag on Demian Maia's takedowns, but they were actually very effective when he wasn't fighting an elite wrestler like Woodley or Usman.

    I think with Ortega and Ferguson, their individual approach doesn't necessitate that they must rely on takedowns. Ortega would rather wing haymakers and Tony would rather spam spinning shit than take an opponent down. And besides, both of those guys are so good on their back that they don't care.
     
  17. TheMessiah Yellow Card Yellow Card

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    BJJ doesn't really have good takedowns. They don't teach the double leg and the single leg isn't explosive. Some Bjj schools teach more standup so you learn a lot of Judo but im not sure it's the same case in the USA
     
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  18. MichaelT Purple Belt

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    Cause its turned into its own sport too much, whete takedowns are not important. Not only not important, but actually very risky, i even heard advice dont shoot if its a bjj comp, cause youll get guillotined etc, pull guard or wait for the other guy to sit on his ass, learning good tds is not encouraged and not even part of the sport these days
     
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  19. SmoothPies Green Belt

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    Ferguson was a bad example.. he's an all American wrestler and actually has pretty solid TD's if you watch some of his earlier fights. He just chooses to strike
     
  20. Human Bass Red Belt

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    Lol, as a white belt i had double leg classes.

    Bjj has takedowns, the problem is that there are levels to this and one must focus on the aspect to become actually good.
     

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