Why Does the UFC Test for PEDS?

[HHJ]

They just could have said that they do their own testing, like the nba, nfl and so on.

Yeah but MMA has a much rougher image than those sports. They have to work much harder for respectability.

 

[HHJ]

We disagree then. The idea was to take the sport mainstream and move it out of the human cockfighting era. Things like USADA have assisting in allowing the sport to reach Madison Square garden in the face of previous opposition.
Mainstream appeal via Tv deals was the plan for long term growth. There was even talk of attempts to get MMA to the Olympics, but we saw what has happened to Judo there. Money was definitely a factor to sell of the company.

Athletes do have a choice. They can fight in other organisations that test least strictly. No one is forced to sign in the UFC unless they want a UFC title.
You get paid more in other orgs if you perform well and can chase sponsors. I prefer MMA in other orgs sometimes, but I view the UFC ranked fighters as the best of the best at the time with a couple outside entry standouts.

Boxing doesn't match MMA in terms of instant acute damage. The gloves are bigger, the fights get stopped faster and the ground game is a non factor.
CTE is just as bad but takes longer to show up. Boxing should also test better, but the UFC is effectively just an org that has decided it wants to be the top level of the sport.
Drug testing helps legitimize that.

You aren't wrong in lower level athletes getting affected more. Another reason IMO not to take them. You shouldn't need to take them to compete.
Why force people to make that choice? I think USADA is good for the sport, but I also enjoy watching other promotions conscious of the fact some of those fights are arguably more exciting.

If people think as it is,that its bad that their precious A level athletes wont just "TRAIN UFC" instead of go to football,or basketball,because of the money,I'd love to see how they would enjoy how the "sport" would be if it were transferred back to 1996 all of a sudden. Also remember that PRIDEFC is dead,and the UFC isnt.

 

[Prime Minister]

Roids provide an unfair advantage. They also cause your heart to explode.

And your privates to drop.

 

[Oeshon]

I believe the main argument against it is that it is cheating, actually.

Its only cheating if you make it illegal.

They should just let them all roid.

I want TRTVitor and Uberreem

 

[Lee_]

The premise of this thread is wrong. There are a number of reasons that PEDS are not allowed.

There is no way it could be fair to have some guys using and some guys not. If you let everybody use PEDS, then sports just become a contest of who has the best chemicals, a freakshow. It's no longer about amazing athleticism at that point. Plus, you then have to be willing to totally destroy your body with roids to be competitive in anything. And risk severe injury from being punched or slammed by some super juiced monster.

You can believe whatever you want to believe, but the argument for making roids legal will never be one that wins logically, no matter how much you want it to.

 

[2004 account]

The premise of this thread is wrong. There are a number of reasons that PEDS are not allowed.

There is no way it could be fair to have some guys using and some guys not. If you let everybody use PEDS, then sports just become a contest of who has the best chemicals, a freakshow. It's no longer about amazing athleticism at that point. Plus, you then have to be willing to totally destroy your body with roids to be competitive in anything. And risk severe injury from being punched or slammed by some super juiced monster.

You can believe whatever you want to believe, but the argument for making roids legal will never be one that wins logically, no matter how much you want it to.

Exactly. I agree with this. Ts is a roid enabler, that's disgusting... He wants all fighters even dudes like nick Díaz who are against taking, to risk their health to roid for his own entertainment. That's pretty selfish.

It's an unrealistic desire that he wants... If peds were legal we would see the deaths sky rocket... This is not the sport to roid in, its already brutal as it is.


I rather see svelt natural fighters with real technical abilities fight then overly juiced and compromised fighters that will start dying at 50 and 60 years old like wrestling.

 

[Sausage_Carius]

It's a liability shield in case one of the juiced up boys/girls ends up killing their opponent in the cage or the subsequent weeks after due to injuries sustained.

Forest thinks it's inevitable and the sport will be banned when it does and everybody will have to find another job.

 

[Lemmy Caution]

How do they provide an unfair advantage if everyone has the option to use them? That's like saying training harder than your opponent causes an unfair advantage.

Yes I know your post was steeped in sarcasm but I think it is important to be direct in this conversation.

I'm serious that I think banning peds from the sport is dumb and we probably have the data now to quash every counter argument because we have 5 years with testing data to show any benefits. I haven't done a study but I have a hunch we'll see no difference at all.

Option? If everybody roids, you have no option. You either roid or you can't compete.

If you want option, have a roid league and a non-roid league.

And if the UFC started testing to get rid of its human cockfighting image. If the UFC wants to be perceived as legit and play with the big boys, it has to have an anti-doping policy. I personally prefer original UFC and Pride, but the UFC is interested in making money.

 

[Straatblaffer]

I was under the impression the argument against ped use is that there is a greater risk of injury in the cage.

It's been 5 years.

Can we get a study showing how many fewer injuries there are now that we have USADA?

And if it hasn't reduced the number or severity of injuries by any objective measure then unless there is another valid argument for it I am missing can we get rid of it? It seems to me that it is just a pointless waste of money that does nothing but serve to ruin good fights and shorten fighter's careers and earning potential.


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The fighters make the sport. They work extremely hard in the gym to reach the top of the sport. By allowing them to take banned PEDs we know they can compete longer. That benefits both the fighter and the sport as a whole in my mind.
The fighter:
Fight longer, potentially, and therefore have greater potential career earnings, more fights, longer legacy, potentially better fighter into 30's or 40's with higher skill and maintained performance from peds.
The sport:
More parity. All fighters are better when they face better competition. PEDS allow longer training which means more skilled fighters. Certainly some fighters will just use that time to overuse and try to offset their skill gap with strength but I think the weight classes already handle most of those issues... and from the history of this sport we've seen with similar size, skill always wins, and usually skill wins even with a size discrepancy.​

You do realize steroids may have a fighter compete longer, but he dies faster? Allowing PEDs is pretty much forcing young people to use them, since it gives a big advantage. You should watch some documentaries about steroid abuse, I'm confident it will change ur mind

 

[fzoid4454]

Its only cheating if you make it illegal.

They should just let them all roid.

I want TRTVitor and Uberreem

No, when you want to find out who the best trained and skilled athletes are, artificial enhancements are cheating. It's always been that way in sports, so that is the baseline.

It's only NOT cheating if you choose to ignore it.

 

[kflo]

The problem with your analogy though is all those things you mentioned are reproducible... the airplane flies. Space travel has been done over and over. That's the basis of science... reproducing results based on the scientific method. Jones/USADA is the polar opposite of that. It is theorizing based on something that is NOT reproduced. "Well yeah maybe this guy has a magic condition where he umm... pulses." And when someone asks the question "but does anyone else in human history have this magic condition?" the only way to answer is "Well ummm no... but yeah... pulsing! Cutting edge science!"

It dumps the scientific method on its head, which is why it is so damn insulting. In that sense it is not just psuedo-science... it is actually anti-science. Just fucking say "he makes us money and we like money" instead of couching your lies in bullshit anti-science.

A better analogy would be to say a con-man telling you to drink snake oil because it made him fly. When you ask to see anyone on Earth fly so you can believe a word he says, he just mumbles a catch-phrase "snake-fly! science!" and then runs off. That is a better analogy for "pulsing."

Except other fighters are pulsing. And jones continued to while being tested frequently and by multiple different testing agencies. The only explanation though from some is he must still be using.....instead of validating pulsing.

And the science youre asking for is an impossible ask given the illegality of dhcmt substances and the lack of long term controlled studies.

They have observations that validate the theory and no better alternative theory.

But you’re mind is made up and youre not open to the theory being correct. At least I don’t think you are.

 

[cmw43]

I understand why they would test, I don't understand why they're having the strictest testing in all sports.

Boxing doesn't have half the testing of MMA.

Premier League Football does the bare minimum of testing because they don't want to catch anyone.

 

[cmw43]

Except other fighters are pulsing. And jones continued to while being tested frequently and by multiple different testing agencies. The only explanation though from some is he must still be using.....instead of validating pulsing.

And the science youre asking for is an impossible ask given the illegality of dhcmt substances and the lack of long term controlled studies.

They have observations that validate the theory and no better alternative theory.

But you’re mind is made up and youre not open to the theory being correct. At least I don’t think you are.

Didn't they change the rules now so if you "pulse" at those low levels it doesn't count as a failed test?

 

[Barteh]

No, when you want to find out who the best trained and skilled athletes are, artificial enhancements are cheating. It's always been that way in sports, so that is the baseline.

It's only NOT cheating if you choose to ignore it.

Yeah people shouldn't use supplements or machines in the gym either. Only regular food and bodyweight exercises. We wouldn't want any artificial enhancements.

 

[kflo]

Didn't they change the rules now so if you "pulse" at those low levels it doesn't count as a failed test?

It’s not an automatic violation below a threshold now.

 

[Aurelian]

I'd rather all the fighters be on PEDs than none of the fighters on PEDs.

 

[kflo]

I understand why they would test, I don't understand why they're having the strictest testing in all sports.

Boxing doesn't have half the testing of MMA.

Premier League Football does the bare minimum of testing because they don't want to catch anyone.

Mma is a dangerous sport and it helps their public image to be tough on ped’s. That’s the reality.

 

[Amst3rdam]

Maybe cause it’s fucking bad for your health and u could ask more from your body that it’s supposed to give naturally causing irreversible damage and why because of a just bleed fat slob like yourself.

 

[FutureBwChamp]

Because Anderson pisses hot and it made the promotion look terrible.

 

[fzoid4454]

Yeah people shouldn't use supplements or machines in the gym either. Only regular food and bodyweight exercises. We wouldn't want any artificial enhancements.

Don't be a moron, if that's possible.

Directly altering body chemistry with synthetic chemicals, or synthetically produced chemicals is nothing like the things you are trying to equate it to.

And, while we're on it, there ARE supplements that aren't allowed.