Why does soccer not crack down on diving?

[ExquisitExamplE]

I 100% understand why players dive. Ive done it in hockey myself. I also 100% understand why its not on the refs. Ive been a ref. Its god damn hard to catch things depending on your angle.

The league needs to step in, and hard. I understand your point about contact but a line needs to be made. Its hard to make a line when people are trying to lie, but it needs to be drawn.

And ive only been watching MLS and a few Premier League games and its very rampant in my eyes, and im usually pretty lenient towards players in most leagues for diving.

It doesn't seem like it would be difficult at all to have someone screen the calls after they happen and then if it's deemed a player is definitely flopping, penalized appropriately after the fact. I've felt the same way about basketball. I realize the game needs to keep moving and finish up in a reasonable amount of time, but I just feel cheated as a spectator when a bad call happens and it's clear as day in the video, but then get's passed by because the league can't be bothered to adapt better rules.

I mean, I thought the whole point of having instant replays was so we could make things fairer and make it easier for the ref's/judges to decide plays.

 

[bcordova]

Go ahead other countries, do your worst!

He pretty much invented the "flop" in the NBA. He is also not from the US.

 

[Kirin]

You guys are idiots. Players get yellow cards regularly when the arbiter suspects they flopped. Contrast that with the nba, where you have guys like dwyane wade and mario chalmers pretending to get hit by manu ginobli then they get praised by marc jackson. If the nba had its act together they'd be giving those guys technical fouls for their pitiful performances.

 

[Nowhere Fast]

The refs do what they can and call it when they see it but without replay and seemingly a complete disdain for retrospective punishment then there isn't much to be done about it. The sport is stuck in the dark ages in this regard.

 

[bcordova]

You guys are idiots. Players get yellow cards regularly when the arbiter suspects they flopped. Contrast that with the nba, where you have guys like dwyane wade and mario chalmers pretending to get hit by manu ginobli then they get praised by marc jackson. If the nba had its act together they'd be giving those guys technical fouls for their pitiful performances.

I agree. You have guys pump faking and then jumping into the defender to get fouls. To me that is an offensive foul.

 

[Spindrift0036]

Why idiots dive

A) They're idiots
B) They suck so much that they have to use a trick in order to score a goal

Why people fake injuries

A) It gives them and the rest of the team time to rest
B) Valuable seconds / minutes pass by to their favor
C) They're trying to get a player expelled by either making the ref yellow-card him or red-card him immediately

Fuck the divers

PS: We're talking about football in here. I don't know what this alien word " soccer " stands for !

 

[scorpiorising]

The refs do what they can and call it when they see it but without replay and seemingly a complete disdain for retrospective punishment then there isn't much to be done about it. The sport is stuck in the dark ages in this regard.

I disAgree. The league can do it after the fact. Keep the pace of the game and suspend players.

First: fine
Second: fine (maybe third)
Third: one game
Fourth: 2 games

Im making up the numbers. Be lenient, but its gotta happen.

 

[Einar]

It doesn't seem like it would be difficult at all to have someone screen the calls after they happen and then if it's deemed a player is definitely flopping, penalized appropriately after the fact. I've felt the same way about basketball. I realize the game needs to keep moving and finish up in a reasonable amount of time, but I just feel cheated as a spectator when a bad call happens and it's clear as day in the video, but then get's passed by because the league can't be bothered to adapt better rules.

I mean, I thought the whole point of having instant replays was so we could make things fairer and make it easier for the ref's/judges to decide plays.

I agree with this.

Also, if a player is rolling around on the ground screaming, he should automatically be retired from the game. If he is faking, he has no business being on the field cause hes a lying prick, and if he's not faking, he's clearly not fit to play and should be sent to the hospital. Just try and think about how many times you've seen a grown ass man rolling around screaming in pain from an injury OUTSIDE of a football field. Doesnt happen a lot does it? And when it does, you can be pretty damn sure something fucking serious has happened and no amount of ice spray and magic sponge is gonna fix it so that he's up and running again in a minute.

 

[Kirin]

I agree. You have guys pump faking and then jumping into the defender to get fouls. To me that is an offensive foul.

I disAgree. The league can do it after the fact. Keep the pace of the game and suspend players.

First: fine
Second: fine (maybe third)
Third: one game
Fourth: 2 games

Im making up the numbers. Be lenient, but its gotta happen.

The refs just need to use common sense. If there is minimal contact there is no f'n way it is going to cause a guy to go flying across the floor the way these guys do. They look like they freaking got hit by a mac truck. I've met so many people who get turned off from watching the sport because of the blatant acting. This is why they just need an official dedicated to replays on the sideline. Instead of having a moron like joe crawford stopping the game and making himself the center of attention, a replay official can be on the sideline and overrule calls that are blatantly wrong (like in game 2 of the finals where wade pretended to get hit by ginobli in the face).

 

[Nowhere Fast]

I disAgree. The league can do it after the fact. Keep the pace of the game and suspend players.

First: fine
Second: fine (maybe third)
Third: one game
Fourth: 2 games

Im making up the numbers. Be lenient, but its gotta happen.

I disagree with it as well but I was merely pointing out the reality. It's a major talking point every season and yet nothing happens. The FA and commissions like it can't even tackle racism and actual serious issues within the game properly. They really aren't bothered about diving.

Refs do what they can, some much better than others. It's such a culturally diverse sport that refs have different interpretations of the rules which never helps.

 

[Spindrift0036]

The refs just need to use common sense. If there is minimal contact there is no f'n way it is going to cause a guy to go flying across the floor the way these guys do. They look like they freaking got hit by a mac truck. I've met so many people who get turned off from watching the sport because of the blatant acting. This is why they just need an official dedicated to replays on the sideline. Instead of having a moron like joe crawford stopping the game and making himself the center of attention, a replay official can be on the sideline and overrule calls that are blatantly wrong (like in game 2 of the finals where wade pretended to get hit by ginobli in the face).

Yes , and how the ref can determine what kind of contact there was when he's behind the defender ?


I think in basketball , the refs can see replays ( at least that's what happens in Greece )

 

[Spindrift0036]

I disagree with it as well but I was merely pointing out the reality. It's a major talking point every season and yet nothing happens. The FA and commissions like it can't even tackle racism and actual serious issues within the game properly. They really aren't bothered about diving.

Refs do what they can, some much better than others. It's such a culturally diverse sport that refs have different interpretations of the rules which never helps.

In other words

 

[scorpiorising]

Guys this isnt a basketball vs soccer thread.

Basketballs brutal tho hahaha

 

[ExquisitExamplE]

This is why they just need an official dedicated to replays on the sideline. Instead of having a moron like joe crawford stopping the game and making himself the center of attention, a replay official can be on the sideline and overrule calls that are blatantly wrong (like in game 2 of the finals where wade pretended to get hit by ginobli in the face).

Yep, but I wonder how long it takes before something this glaringly obvious is implemented.

 

[Pecker123]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diving_%28association_football%29

The referee has to make a call in the heat of the moment. Traditionally that was it the refs decision was final (he can ask the linesman).

The system is inadequate. It would slow the game down if the ref had to look at instant replays for every decision but I'd be in favor of it for penalties and red cards.

Here is what Sepp Blatter thought -"Let it be as it is and let's leave (soccer) with errors," Blatter said. "The television companies will have the right to say (the referee) was right or wrong, but still the referee makes the decision

 

[fightingrabbit]

I made a thread on this before, and it got shut down because they thought i was bashing the athletes.

I guess it's soccer tradition to fake roll around on the floor like a fucking giant puss.

 

[Thanos]

this video is unbelievable

 

[Da Speeit]

It's really not as bad as casual fans make out, and most of us fans either laugh it off or get angry about it.

 

[Leverage]

They try to crack down on diving yet it's not very succesful because:

There's no video playbacks for the ref.
The ref can't see a challenge, blow his whistle...and then wait for the replay to check whether the player dived or not. He's got to make the call with his own eyes as he sees it before the whistle is blown. Because of this reason, wrong calls are sometimes made. If diving was taken very seriously the ref could end up sending a player off when he never dived and was actually the victim. This could boost the number of accidental fouls being made in the hope that a player gets sent off for diving. With the speed and different angles these fouls are coming in from, it's very easy to make the wrong call. So it's better to warn them when you're not sure. Yellow card them when it's completely obvious and then red when it's another obvious act of diving. If you're the ref and you're behind 2 players a few meters away that are facing away from you all you see is one player leg come across and the second player go down it's a tough angle to determine what actually happened.

Some players take diving as a way to break up the play when a minor foul has been committed against them....they can either continue the run and risk having possesion get taken away from them or they can exaggerate the minor foul (a shirt grab, a hand near the face etc)...diving is just a way of keeping possesion when you risk losing it. That's what you're seeing when they "go down waaay to easy!". Like steven gerrard in the champions league final when he won alonso's penalty. He was through, clear on goal, he felt a tiny pull on his shirt before the player let go and despite it not being enough to really take him down he collapses on his knees because if play is broken after an infringement on the rules (no matter how small)...the 'victim' will be awarded with the freekick, penalty etc which is a little more safer than standing on there feet and risking a miss that way.

It's a shame really. So many teams do it to give themselves the extra advantage. Many teams are taught in which situations to dive by their coaching staff. Where the angle is difficult for the ref to see etc...

Brendan Rogers actually made winning penalties off these minor infringements a major part of his tactics this season and it worked well for them. If the refs were allowed video playbacks like in rugby and issued straight reds to those diving off zero contact then diving would fall rapidly.

Many football fans love the controversy of when debatable calls are made. Many believe that it's a part of football that should stick around for the pure banter of it all. It always leaves a controversial topic of discussion between fans.

 

[Diablo Ryu**]

I hate soccer...men dont play that shit. Look at those dive videos.they stick tampons up their loose assholes.