Why does Cyborg have to....(Rousey dodging)

MMA_Fan said:
You don't understand the business side of things. Let's say for a second that RR jumps up to 145, and Cyborg beats her. Then what happens? Then you have a paper champ for the Women's division because RR has been beaten, and there are no other fighters at 145. The goal here is to maintain the legitimacy of WMMA in the UFC. If your champion loses, but stays in place because the woman who beat her can't make weight, that there is a loss of credibility.Then you would have Cyborg running around making sure everybody knows she is the true champion even though she can't make 135. The 135 division would become a joke.
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Finally! This is all that needs to be said.
 
Sure, Rouseys ducking. Someone else said it best.

clayj said:
It is pretty obvious that Cyborg is the reason the fight hasn't happened. She has ducked/ran, lied and changed her mind a hundred times about nearly everything you can think of over the last four years to the point that nothing she says or does can be taken seriously.

First, the histry of Ronda going to 135 is outlined in this historical sherdog thread:

http://forums.sherdog.com/forums/92583821-post954.html

Then, what happend next was that Ronda beat Budd and Cyborg got busted for steroids. Ronda still agrees to fight Cyborg at 145 (According to Cyborg and her lawyers) for the FW title. However, with Cyborg unable to get her suspension reduced SF gets rid of the 145 class, effectively cancelling the fight (Cyborg's ruins the fight #1).
http://www.mmamania.com/2012/4/9/29...on-upheld-strikeforce-ronda-rousey-female-mma

Cyborg then says she will fight Ronda at a catchweight of 140 (Aug 13, 2012)
http://www.mmamania.com/2012/8/13/3240734/cris-cyborg-ronda-rousey-fight-catchweight

To which Ronda's manager agrees with VADA drug and hair folicle testing (Aug 19)
http://www.mmamania.com/2012/8/20/3256102/ronda-rousey-drug-testing-cyborg-steroids-strikeforce-mma

To which Cyborg backs out almost instantly saying she "will fight at 145, no less" and that she is the champion (actually she wasn't, she was stripped of the belt), and Cyborg ruins the fight for a second time, and ducks Ronda directly for the first time.
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/spor...ight-rousey-at-145-pounds----no-less/828222/1

Then the UFC buys SF and picks up Ronda's contract and creates the 135 class. Then, the UFC picks up Cyborg's contract and even offers to let her to go Invicta and make money while she trims down until she can make 135. They even offered to PAY Mike Dolce for her to help her lose the weight.

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2012/12/...es-services-to-get-cyborg-to-135-ronda-rousey
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2014/12/...dy-fat-percentage-cain-velasquez-ronda-rousey


Cyborg responds by asking to be released from the UFC. (Cyborg ruins the fight #3, Cyborg ducks Ronda #2)

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Then, the UFC gets cozy with Invicta, puts them on fightpass and makes an agreement that Cyborg will get into the UFC if she makes 135. Cyborg signs a contract to make 135 in Dec 2014, but continues to lift weights on a daily basis and doesn't even try to cut the weight, pulling out of the fight and saying she will continue to fight at 145, but that she will still fight Ronda at 145, effectively ducking the fight again (duck #3) by not agreeing to the terms that will get her the bout agreement

This doesn't even take into account all the times Cyborg says she is going to 135, then she will die if she does, then she will be fine, then dead again ... etc.

Here is Cyborg weighing in at 140

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http://www.mmaontap.com/mma/entry/elitexc-unfinished-business-weigh-in-results


she doesn't exactly look like a concentration camp victim, she is still carrying a ton of muscle mass. She just has to drop five pounds of it and the fight is on. Cyborg is just too psychologically attached/addicted to her muscle mass to let it go. She knows she can keep her name in the headlines by barking at Ronda from a distance, while never having to actually take the fight.

Cyborg has no leverage to dictate the terms. Ronda is going nowhere, she is a stationary target, if Cyborg wants the fight, she knows where she has to go to get it.

The day before her Invicta weigh-in against Tweet, Cyborg said she could "make 140 tomorrow"
http://mmajunkie.com/2015/02/cyborg...ufc-champ-ronda-rousey-at-140-pounds-tomorrow

but since she says she currently walks around at 175
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that means she is saying she can fight at a weight 35 pounds below her walkaround weight, but claimed it was physically impossible, and maybe even fatal, if she tried to cut from her walkaround weight of 160 (see video above) down to 135 back when she asked to be released from the UFC, even though that is only 25 pounds. The only conclusion was that she JUST DIDN'T WANT THE FIGHT, since she could have clearly cut the weight.

So lose five pounds of muscle from where you were before and make the fight. The UFC wasn't willing to make a catchweight fight for Carano ("White made it clear that if such a fight would happen, it would have to occur at 135 pounds."), so they sure aren't going to make one for you.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2014/4/9...y-say-gina-carano-deserves-an-immediate-title

Quit running, or does she only want to fight with a huge weight advantage where she can alter the scale to make weight? Complete lack of class and sportsmanship.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/details-of-the-cyborg-vs-akano-controversy-2

but of course Cyborg won't cut the weight, here you can hear in her own words at 4:40 that she has no desire to fight without having a huge size advantage.

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TS will never understand how a business is supposed to run and will forever be doomed to scrub the toilets more switched on people shit in.

UFC is a business and every fight has to make business sense regardless of who wins. Having Ronda fight Cyborg at catchweight fight, not for the title, just once and then have Cyborg go back to Invicta.. MAKES ZERO FUCKING BUSINESS SENSE
 
nutts said:
I understand it. What is the point in having Cyborg fight at 135 once before Rousey. Multiple fighters in the past have went straight to title shots? There is no point in having her fight once before Rousey.
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Because she has come in over weight many times and even altered scales.
 
nutts said:
You're right.... I don't think Cyborg has done much to deserve the fight. My point is, is that Ronda isnt exactly begging for the fight. I hope Cyborg does make the weight. However, I don't see the need to make her fight once at 135 that just delays things. I understand the logic because they want to know that she can make 135....but if she's gonna miss weight, shes gonna miss it regardless of whether she can make it the weight once or not.
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After tampering with scales she should have been perma banned.
 
If she's going to fight for the 135 belt. She should show an ability to make that weight consistently. Fighting at 135 before the title fight would go a long way to demonstrating that. Otherwise what if she won the 135 belt and then never made that weight again?
 
nutts said:
I understand the logic because they want to know that she can make 135....but if she's gonna miss weight, shes gonna miss it regardless of whether she can make it the weight once or not.
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If she's going to make weight, they clearly wouldn't want it to happen in a highly hyped and promoted title match. You can understand that logic, right?
 
nutts said:
You're right.... I don't think Cyborg has done much to deserve the fight. My point is, is that Ronda isnt exactly begging for the fight. I hope Cyborg does make the weight. However, I don't see the need to make her fight once at 135 that just delays things. I understand the logic because they want to know that she can make 135....but if she's gonna miss weight, shes gonna miss it regardless of whether she can make it the weight once or not.
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Cyborg has repeatedly lied about her ability to make weight and has delayed this fight for years with her backtracking. She has no credibility and the ufc would be foolish to trust her, she has to prove herself
 
nutts said:
Why does Dana keep saying that she has to fight once at 135 before a title shot with Rousey? To me it seems that Dana is doing everything he can.... not to have this fight. Ronda is somewhat dodging Cyborg to an extent as well.
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Cause Dana is a smart business man. Why would he spend millions promoting a Cyborg/Rousey fight without first being sure Cyborg can make the weight?
 
Cyborg can make 145 ON steroids, so making 135 off should be no issue at all.

Or, are we here to reward Cyborg for being caught on the juice because we are Rousey haters?
 
Ronda will put as many barriers in between so she doesn't have to fight Cyborg ever. I am okay with that as Cyborg is the best womens MMA fighter ever.
 
If TS doesn't understand something this simple to begin with then nobody should waste their time trying to explain it to him.
 
The only barrier is Cyborg and her steroid use. She has erected that barrier 100% on her own with no one else to blame.

She made 145 ON STEROIDS. She can easily make 135 OFF STEROIDS. Just give up all that ill gotten muscle gain.
 
Cyborg already agreed to a contract with the UFC that specifically says she has to make ONE fight at 135 before she gets a shot at Rousey. Cyborg herself, her manager, her current conditioning coach (Lockhart), her former conditioning coach (Dolce), and her former manager (Tito) have all said she can make 135.

We still haven't seen Cyborg even book a fight at 135 let alone make weight.

Meanwhile the UFC is PAYING Cyborg while they're waiting.

Cyborg signed a contract so she can live up to it. And fans who think that the UFC should rewrite the contract for Cyborg, are you also demanding that Cyborg return Zuffa's money since she hasn't lived up to her agreement with Zuffa?

Cyborg and Zuffa already reached an agreement, signed a contract, and money was exchanged. It's that simple. Until Cyborg meets her contract conditions, the UFC doesn't owe her a fight.

I'll believe that Cyborg can't make 135 when she cuts a 6 figure check to Zuffa and asks to be released from her current contract.
 
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This thread again ... really?
 
Diggem said:
Ronda will put as many barriers in between so she doesn't have to fight Cyborg ever. I am okay with that as Cyborg is the best womens MMA fighter ever.
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Cyborg is a fraud, plain and simple and she is the only one putting barriers on this matchup.
 
Diggem said:
Ronda will put as many barriers in between so she doesn't have to fight Cyborg ever. I am okay with that as Cyborg is the best womens MMA fighter ever.
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The best ever doesn't make chump change without a legitimate belt or a legitimate audience compared to the second place.
 
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